Real conversations and practical advice for everyday leaders. Sit across the table from one of the foremost experts in leadership and business. In his simple and approachable style, Pat tackles every topic related to the world of work (and some that aren’t). From culture to teamwork to building world-class organizations, Pat brings his wisdom, humor, and insight together to provide actionable advice for leaders everywhere.
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Why does recommitting to trust matter more than recommitting to strategy?Episode 258 of At The Table episode explores the moments when teams and relationships reach a breaking point—where everything could unravel or deepen. Pat and Cody reflect on their own recent off-site, sharing how choosing vulnerability and recommitment led them to greater unity, clarity, and trust. They argue that the “messy” work of recommitting isn’t soft; it’s the most essential and transformative part of leadership.Topics explored in this episode: (03:17) Why the Cliff Always Feels Real* Early moments in The Table Group’s history when setbacks could have ended everything but ultimately created stronger bonds.* Parallels between organizational plateaus and long-term marriage. (07:06) Messiness, Trust, and Misconceptions* Why leaders shouldn’t judge their own teams for imperfection. * Challenging the myth that offsites should be purely strategic. (10:58) The Moment of Truth* The “moment of truth” where a leader either risks more vulnerability or puts a ceiling on the entire organization.(15:03) Recommitment as the Path to Fruitfulness* Why trust—not strategy—is what makes or breaks performance, speed, and long-term health.* How naming hard truths unlocked unity, clarity, and deeper commitment.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
257. The Art of Messiness (00:15:33)
Do you sometimes over-rely on data to cover yourself instead of trusting your judgment? Episode 257 of At The Table explores why leaders often cling to data, certainty, and predictability—even though business is inherently messy. Pat and Cody discuss how fear of failure drives over-analysis, slowing decisions and weakening judgment. Ultimately, they argue that great leadership is an art fueled by instinct, courage, and human interaction—not algorithms or metrics.Topics explored in this episode: (03:15) Data vs. Instinct in Real Business* Why instinct and common sense dominate real executive decision-making.* The human tendency to return to predictability even when it repeatedly fails.(06:29) When Data Misleads and Context Matters* How statistical predictions often fail to capture real-life variables.* How leaders hide behind numbers to avoid personal responsibility.(09:13) The Power of Seeing the Problem Directly* How over-reliance on data can obscure common sense and slow down problem-solving.(11:40) Business as Art, Not Science* The modern trend toward treating business as a purely scientific discipline.* Why instinct and integrative thinking will never be replaced by either data or AI.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
256. What is a Toxic Culture? (00:22:20)
How does working in a “toxic” culture affect your ability to perform and trust others? Also, if your organization has an unhealthy work environment, how can leaders begin the process of internal correction? In episode 256 of At The Table, Pat Lencioni and Cody Thompson unpack what “toxic culture” really means—and what it doesn’t. They explore how toxicity rarely starts at the bottom but usually traces back to the executive team’s dysfunction, lack of clarity, or tolerance for poor behavior. They also share the signs, causes, and antidotes of toxic workplaces, encouraging leaders to create environments rooted in honesty and accountability.Topics explored in this episode: (00:20) Defining “Toxic Culture”* The importance of defining “toxic” and challenging the assumption that perks equal health.(04:00) The Source of Toxicity* Toxic cultures almost always originate at the executive level, not among lower-level employees.(08:00) How to Diagnose Toxicity* Cody compares toxic environments to poor sleep—you can feel it without needing a metric.(13:00) What Toxic Cultures Look Like* Key signs: political behavior, tolerated poor performance, and confusion from unclear goals.* How even good leaders can accidentally create toxicity.(17:00) Healing and Hope for Teams* Every organization experiences some level of dysfunction—but honesty and ownership can fix it.* The idea of replacing the word “toxic” with “dysfunctional” or “political,” emphasizing that healing begins with truth.In this episode, Pat and Cody discussed the following study by the employment website, Monster: “Toxic Workplaces Are Worsening: 80% of U.S. Workers Now Say Their Job Hurts Their Mental Health”; https://www.monster.com/career-advice/job-search/news-and-insights/mental-health-in-the-workplace-poll-2025 This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
255. Efficiency vs. Humanity (00:25:27)
What happens when innovation outpaces our moral compass?In episode 255 of At The Table, Patrick and Cody wrestle with the tension between technological innovation and human dignity in the workplace. As artificial intelligence reshapes industries, they ask whether efficiency has become more important than humanity. This episode invites leaders and consumers alike to seek a moral “true north”—one that values people over profit and connection over convenience.Topics explored in this episode: (02:57) Innovation Without a True North* Concern that the rise of AI could fundamentally displace human work.* Innovation must be guided by ethics and human-centered purpose, not just economic efficiency.(07:15) The Role of Leaders * The need for leaders to assess whether their choices serve humanity.(10:10) The Role of Consumers* Consumers voting with their wallets and resisting convenience that devalues human connection.(14:27) The Convenience Crisis* How people increasingly prioritize ease over meaning.(18:45) Dignity, Work, and the Future* The deeper value of work beyond income—as a source of dignity, growth, and relationship.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
254. Virtual Politics (00:18:00)
Have your remote teams been unknowingly breeding politics through silence and distance?In episode 254 of At The Table, Pat and Cody explore how remote work can unintentionally foster politics and erode trust within teams. They unpack why virtual communication creates space for misunderstanding and suspicion—even among well-intentioned people. They also offer practical advice for building connections, restoring trust, and maintaining healthy team dynamics across distance.Topics explored in this episode: (00:00) Understanding Virtual Politics* How “virtual politics” can be thought of as the subtle mistrust that grows when people work apart.(03:30) How Distance Fuels Assumptions* How lack of information makes people fill in the gaps—often with negative assumptions.(06:27) Building Proactive Trust* How frequent, small check-ins can keep trust alive.* Why men and women sometimes handle connection differently and how teams can structure regular contact.(09:43) Efficiency vs. Relationship* How Zoom culture prioritizes efficiency over connection. * Pat introduces the concept of “wasting time well” as essential for maintaining team health.(11:52) The Ladder of Inference * Pat explains the “ladder of inference” and how remote work accelerates false assumptions.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
253. Trust Must Be Exercised (00:19:09)
Are you unintentionally eroding trust by avoiding hard conversations? Also, what happens to your team when trust goes unexercised?In episode 253 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson unpack why trust isn’t something to simply build and preserve—it must be used, stretched, and tested to grow stronger. They explore how leaders unintentionally erode trust by avoiding honest curiosity, mistaking it for suspicion. Topics explored in this episode: (00:00) Curiosity vs. Suspicion* How simple questions like “What are you working on?” can build or break trust.* Why avoiding questions to “protect” trust actually weakens it over time.(04:59) Trust Isn’t a Museum Piece* Unused trust is like a car that’s never driven—beautiful but purposeless.(09:56) Healthy Relationships Aren’t Fragile* How conflict and tension signal healthy trust, not dysfunction.* The importance of exercising trust through candid conversations.(13:28) Trust and Remote Leadership* How distance and fear of misinterpretation can make trust decay faster.(17:16) Leaders Must Take the First Risk* Pat challenges leaders to stop being afraid of awkwardness and exercise trust first.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/6NWAZzkzl4ljxX7S2xkHvu), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3raC053GF5mtkq6Y1klpRU), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
252. Where There's Smoke... (00:15:10)
What happens to a culture when leaders ignore problems?In episode 252 of At The Table, Patrick and Cody explore the leadership principle of running toward the fire. They discuss why leaders often ignore the “smoke” of personnel or cultural issues, hoping problems will resolve themselves. Instead, they argue that credibility, trust, and organizational health are built when leaders courageously confront issues before they spread.Topics explored in this episode: 00:35 – Seeing Smoke* Leaders set the tone by how they respond to problems.03:33 – Defining the Fire* Personnel problems are the most commonly ignored fires in organizations.06:03 – Why Leaders Avoid the Fire* Confrontation feels messy and uncomfortable, especially when emotions are involved.09:45 – The Cost of Avoidance* Ignoring smoke damages credibility, weakens leadership muscle, and sets a bad cultural example.12:20 – Regaining Credibility* Leaders can only rebuild trust through visible action, not promises.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
251. Transition Equation (00:21:48)
In what ways can the formula for change be useful for understanding both personal and organizational change?In episode 251 of At The Table, Patrick and Cody explore the so-called change equation, a simple yet powerful formula that explains why some change efforts succeed while others stall. Breaking it down into dissatisfaction, vision, and a first simple step—multiplied together—they show how these elements must outweigh resistance for change to occur. Topics explored in this episode: 0:55 – The Change Equation3:17 – D: Dissatisfaction with the Current State* How leaders and individuals can identify and amplify dissatisfaction.4:38 – V: Vision for a Better Future* The importance of painting a clear and compelling future state.6:52 – F: The First Simple Step* Why a small, achievable action builds momentum and reduces overwhelm.17:59 – R: Resistance to Change* How fear, comfort, and uncertainty fuel resistance.Here are some additional notes that relate to the equation explored in this episode: D × V × F > R. D = Dissatisfaction with how things are now. V = Vision of what is possible. F = First concrete steps that can be taken towards the vision. If the product of these three factors is greater than R = Resistance, then change is possible. Because D, V, and F are multiplied, if any one is absent (zero) or low, then the product will be zero or low and therefore not capable of overcoming the resistance.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
250. BaaM & WaaM (00:18:48)
How would your workplace culture change if love and service were driving forces?In episode 250 of At The Table, Pat and Cody introduce the concepts of BaaM (Business as a Ministry) and WaaM (Work as a Ministry). They explore how viewing business and work through the lens of service and love can create healthier workplaces and stronger organizations. Whether you’re leading a public company or managing a small team, this conversation will invite how you think about purpose, culture, and results.Topics explored in this episode: (0:32) Business as a Ministry (BaaM) * How businesses can be seen as a way to serve others with love, going beyond just the transactional goal of making money(3:10) The Case for Love in Business* Tim Sanders’ book Love Is the Killer App.* How fear-based businesses struggle while love-centered cultures thrive.* The challenge of applying BaaM in public companies.(5:48) Work as a Ministry (Waam)* WaaM can be useful for employees in less purpose-driven organizations.(8:07) Ministry Doesn’t Sacrifice Results* John Gordon’s belief that love fuels high performance.* Love-driven work produces results, but should be pursued because it’s right.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
249. Hunger Wins (00:18:28)
How can you create a workforce of hungry people who aren't trying to prove their worth by the number of hours they work? And how can you help your coworkers build a sense of ownership and passion around their work? In episode 249 of At The Table, Pat and Cody explore why “hunger wins” when it comes to building competitive, effective teams. They challenge the misconception that long hours translate to productivity. They also reveal how to create sustainable competitiveness that inspires people to go above and beyond—without burning them out.Topics explored in this episode: (0:40) Hunger and Competitiveness* Global trends and misconceptions about competitiveness, including China’s 996 work model.(4:12) The Pitfalls of Overwork* Why excessive hours lead to burnout and inefficiency.(7:25) Hunger in Organizational Culture* Hunger can’t be legislated or regulated—it must be built into culture.* The importance of avoiding extremes, hiring the right people, and providing flexibility.(10:09) Ownership and Sustainable Competitiveness* How ownership fuels hunger and why pushing employees is sometimes necessary for growth.(15:41) Hiring Right and Protecting Culture* The importance of hiring competitive people and quickly addressing poor fits.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
248. Leadership Lessons From the Kisscam (00:30:32)
How can leaders resist the ego-inflation that comes with praise and status?In episode 248 of At The Table, Pat and Cody reflect on the viral Coldplay kiss cam scandal—not to sensationalize it, but to draw important leadership lessons from it. They explore the dangers of ego, power, and isolation for leaders, particularly those who fail to stay grounded in their home life and faith.Topics explored in this episode: (0:56) When Praise Becomes Poison* Why the Coldplay incident is more than just clickbait—it’s a cautionary tale.(6:44) How Leaders Lose Their Way* "Reward-centered" versus "responsibility-centered" leadership mindsets.* Leaders often start believing praise, inflating their sense of entitlement.(9:08) Home vs. Work* Praise and affirmation at work can distort leaders’ expectations at home.* Leaders become vulnerable when they fail to invest emotionally in their families.(14:20) Guardrails and Hard Truths* Say out loud that your family is more important than work—and mean it.(20:26) Building a Life That’s Enough* Practical ways to reconnect with your spouse and share a vision at home.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth and http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
247. Leadership Isn't Cool (00:19:36)
Why might being “cool” make someone a dangerous person to work for? And why are some of the greatest leaders uncool? In episode 247 of At The Table, Pat and Cody challenge the cultural obsession with being “cool” and examine how it can corrupt leadership. Using a global study that defined six traits of coolness—especially “powerful” and “hedonistic”—they reveal how these values run counter to responsible leadership. Through stories, examples, and hard truths, they make the case that great leaders are often deeply uncool—and that's precisely what makes them trustworthy.Topics Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore in this episode: (3:39) The Six Traits of Cool* The hosts list the six cool traits: adventurous, autonomous, open, extroverted, powerful, and hedonistic.* Pat expresses deep concern about “powerful” and “hedonistic” being celebrated.(6:53) Cool Traits* Cody and Pat analyze “open,” “autonomous,” and “adventurous” as potentially valid for leaders.* They debate whether extroversion belongs in either coolness or leadership.(10:28) Why Hedonism and Power Don’t Belong* Why hedonism contradicts servant leadership.* The trap of confusing likability or popularity with effectiveness.(16:25) The Dangers of Hiring Cool Leaders* How boards and teams often choose “cool” over capable.* Flipping the script—celebrating uncool, authentic leaders.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
246. Party at the DMV: When Meta-Culture Shapes Workplace Culture (00:15:09)
How does the broader culture of your location influence your organization’s internal culture?In episode 246 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore how meta-culture—the broader geographic or societal environment—shapes the internal culture of organizations. From experiences at the DMV to moving company headquarters, they share insights on how values interact with location. Topics explored in this episode: (2:44) Organizational Culture Exists Within a Larger Culture* The macro culture of a city or state can either support or resist company values.* Remote work and multiple locations complicate maintaining a cohesive culture.(6:15) Moving Your Company* Leaders should consider not just financials but cultural fit when moving.* The meta-culture can affect hiring, operations, and team morale.* Certain locations make it easier to find people who reflect your values.* Some environments create cultural friction, while others foster cohesion.(9:35) Navigating Meta-Culture* Leaders should actively ask how geography is influencing their organization.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
245. Dissecting a GOAT (00:16:59)
What are some universal traits of successful leaders that any leader in any field can emulate? In episode 245 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson reflect on a remarkable leader they consider one of the greatest CEOs they’ve encountered—Tony Mazzella of Mazzella Companies. Tony’s approach to leadership is rooted in humility, deep responsibility, and a relentless desire to learn, all without seeking fame or recognition. This conversation breaks down the traits that make a truly great CEO, far beyond what the public eye ever sees.Topics explored in this episode: (2:42) Humility in Action* Tony’s humility is evident in how he shares credit and doesn’t perform for attention.(5:50) Identity & Integrity* Tony’s peace stems from knowing his identity isn’t tied to performance.(8:06) Responsibility and Motive* Tony makes tough calls because he cares deeply for people; there’s no entitlement—just ownership of his role.(10:28) Curiosity & Continued Growth* Tony proactively pursued his Working Genius certification.(13:41) Organizational Health * True heroes of organizational health are the leaders who consistently put in the hard work of implementation.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
244. Embracing Tension is the Key to Innovation (00:23:30)
Are you missing out on innovation because you're avoiding discomfort? How can you embrace the tension that's required for innovation? In episode 244 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the crucial link between tension and innovation. They argue that real creativity requires discomfort—whether from interpersonal friction or environmental urgency. Through personal stories and business examples, they offer practical ways to embrace conflict and drive change before crisis strikes.Topics explored in this episode: (1:14) Tension Can Be Beneficial* Innovation is universally desired but rarely pursued.* True creativity demands both environmental and interpersonal tension.* Most teams avoid conflict until a crisis forces change.(3:52) Manufacturing Tension and Creativity* Cody discusses how companies often manufacture environmental tension to force innovation, especially when complacency sets in. * Pat connects innovation to creativity, drawing on his experience as an author and screenwriter. (9:17) Does Every Business Need to Innovate?* Innovation applies to all types of companies in different ways.* Entrepreneurs often thrive on tension, but most leaders need to learn it.(14:15) Manufacturing Urgency* Crises like COVID accelerate innovation by necessity.* Teams can simulate pressure by setting rallying cries or tight timelines.(19:24) Fear or Joy Can Drive Innovation * A team’s willingness to engage in healthy conflict is directly tied to innovation potential.* The best employees crave meaningful tension and will leave if it’s missing.Resources mentioned in this episode: * Only the Paranoid Survive: How to Exploit the Crisis Points That Challenge Every Company, a book by Andrew S. Grove. This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via <a href="mailto:podcast@tablegroup.com" rel="noopener...
243. Overcoming the "I’m Not Enough" Trap (00:22:55)
Why do so many successful leaders struggle with the feeling of "not being enough"? And how can leaders shift away from a scarcity mindset?In episode 243 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the pervasive feeling of inadequacy among leaders. They discuss how a "not enough" mindset can drive individuals to seek validation through constant achievement. The conversation emphasizes the importance of vulnerability, self-awareness, and shifting from a fear-based to a joy-based approach to life and work.Topics explored in this episode: (0:49) The Prevalence of "I'm Not Enough"* Many leaders share a common feeling of inadequacy, often tracing it back to their youth. * This feeling can create a cycle of constantly striving to prove yourself, hindering your ability to find satisfaction in accomplishments. (5:04) The Impact of Vulnerability* Sharing your feelings of inadequacy with others can normalize these experiences, encouraging them to acknowledge their own struggles and seek support. (9:07) The Scarcity Mindset* Believing "I'm not enough" can lead to a scarcity mindset, affecting your perceptions of time, success, and resources. (14:23) The Illusion of Control* The pursuit of control over outcomes can lead to anxiety and prevent you from embracing the present moment. (18:36) Finding Peace in the Journey* Reframing your perspective can help you foster a sense of peace. * Embracing the journey and finding joy in the process can lead to greater fulfillment than solely focusing on the result.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co.
242. Hard Times with Dave Ramsey: The Bright Side of Adversity (00:35:38)
How do we as business leaders not be discouraged by hard times and instead see the good that can result from them? In episode 242 of At The Table, Patrick Lencioni welcomes legendary financial expert and leadership voice Dave Ramsey for an unfiltered conversation about hard times. As Pat mentions in the intro, this is not your average interview. They discuss the current economic and cultural moment, explore the importance of values-based leadership, and call out the failures of transactional mindsets. This episode challenges leaders to hold the line on integrity, even—and especially—when things get tough.Topics explored in this episode: (2:46) The Ubiquity of Adversity* Leaders should expect to face new forms of adversity as they grow their business. * Adversity can distort one's perception, making challenges seem more overwhelming than they are. (8:24) The Genesis of a Calling* How Dave’s bankruptcy led him to discover his calling in helping others manage their finances. * Helping others through hardship can transform personal struggles into a meaningful career. (17:24) Developing Resilience* How previous challenges can build resilience and provide perspective on current difficulties. * Leaders must work through challenges rather than avoid them. (22:50) Navigating the Stages of Business* Dave outlines the five stages of business growth: treadmill, pathfinder, trailblazer, peak performer, and legacy. * Each stage presents unique challenges and requires different strategies for success and progression. (31:09) Continuous Learning* Effective leaders are lifelong learners who integrate insights from various sources and generously credit others.Thanks to Dave Ramsey for being on the show! Learn more about Dave and his company Ramsey Solutions: https://www.ramseysolutions.com/ Follow Dave on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramsey-dave/ Get Dave’s books mentioned in this episode: * Build a Business You Love: Mastering the Five Stages of Business: https://store.ramseysolutions.com/business-and-career/books/build-a-business-you-love-by-dave-ramsey/ * EntreLeadership: 20 Years of Practical Business Wisdom from the Trenches: https://store.ramseysolutions.com/business-and-career/books/entreleadership/ This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on...
241. Beware of Success (00:20:17)
What happens when the external validation of your success conflicts with your internal values and purpose? In episode 241 of At The Table, Pat Lencioni and Cody Thompson explore the hidden dangers of traditional success metrics. They also discuss how businesses and individuals can lose their way when they chase recognition that doesn’t align with their original purpose.Topics explored in this episode: (0:40) The Michelin Star Story* How a small restaurant in Italy gave up its Michelin star to stay true to its identity.(4:51) Aligning Success With Intentions* Why companies lose their way when they follow external expectations.* The importance of anchoring decisions to the question: "Why do we exist?"(8:46) Success and Personal Growth* Arthur Brooks' wisdom about valuing the process over outcomes.* How personal definitions of success change over time, especially in creative fields.(13:02) The Cost of Chasing the Wrong Goals* How woundedness can drive people to seek approval through achievements.* Reflections on athletes and leaders who chose integrity over external trophies.* Why true success means being proud of who you're becoming, not just what you achieve.(17:53) Staying Grounded Amid Temptation* Lessons from early Table Group decisions to resist the IPO craze.* The ultimate call to stick to your "why" for lasting fulfillment.Books mentioned in this episode: * Unreasonable Hospitality by Will Guidara.* The Advantage: Why Organizational Health Trumps Everything Else In Business by Patrick Lencioni.* From Strength to Strength by Arthur Brooks.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4hJKKSL), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube). Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts (https://apple.co/4iNz6Yn), Spotify (https://spoti.fi/4iGGm8u), and YouTube (https://bit.ly/Working-Genius-YouTube). Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: <a href="https://www.storyon.co/" rel="noopener
240. A Different Look at DOGE (00:31:44)
Why is it so difficult to reform government inefficiencies? And what can organizations and households learn from eliminating waste in large, public institutions? In episode #240 of At The Table, Pat and Cody explore the concept of government efficiency through the lens of organizational health. Drawing comparisons between the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), the federal government, and dysfunctional teams, they highlight the painful necessity of accountability and cutting waste. Topics explored in this episode: (01:04) Reframing DOGE * The goal is to explore waste and accountability without partisan heat, looking instead at structure and culture.(6:09) Government vs. Private Sector* The federal government is not set up to be a team like private sector organizations.(10:47) The Storage Unit Analogy* Cody shares a story of trying to help a hoarder consolidate two storage units, which becomes a metaphor for government systems that resist change.(15:24) Accountability * Leadership requires doing what is right, even when it’s unpopular or emotionally difficult.(20:44) Mistakes Will Happen* Even a well-intentioned cleanup will result in some regrettable losses.* Without a willingness to risk minor mistakes, the entire system remains unsustainable.(25:31) DOGE in Your Organization* The hosts discuss applying DOGE at the Table Group. * Even healthy organizations benefit from periodically eliminating waste.This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Follow Pat Lencioni on LinkedIn and YouTube. Connect with Cody Thompson on LinkedIn. Be sure to check out our other podcast, The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Let us know your feedback via podcast@tablegroup.com. This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
239. Does Fear or Joy Drive Your Leadership Style? (00:23:16)
How can we start to address unresolved challenges in our lives that impact people profoundly and sometimes in painful ways? In this episode, Patrick Lencioni and Cody Thompson discuss the podcast's return after a six-month break, and a shift in content to include broader societal and cultural issues. Pat also shares his personal journey of self-discovery, focusing on addressing his own wounds and trauma, and explores how this deeply personal work relates to leadership and organizational health.Topics explored in this episode: * (8:04) The Impact of Wounds on Leadership* How fear can drive leaders. * (11:58) The Catalyst for Self-Discovery* Pat’s realization that running from his issues was more painful than confronting them. * The temptation to deny your own wounds. * (16:34) The Universality of Wounds* Everyone has wounds, such as neglect, shame, rejection, and abandonment. * Healing is a lifelong process. * (21:14) Encouraging Healing* Addressing wounds sooner rather than later. This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group. We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable. Subscribe to At The Table on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-lencioni-orghealth, http://www.youtube.com/@PatrickLencioniOfficial, and https://x.com/patricklencioni.Do you know about our other podcast? You can subscribe to The Working Genius Podcast with Patrick Lencioni on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Let us know your feedback on this episode via podcast@tablegroup.com.This episode was produced by Story On Media: https://www.storyon.co/
Fall 2024 Announcement (00:00:27)
We're taking a break from uploading new episodes this fall, but we're looking forward to a return in 2025. Thank you to all of our listeners! To take the Six Types of Working Genius Assessment: https://www.workinggenius.com/ Check out the 5 Dysfunctions of a Team Assessment: https://tinyurl.com/ttgteamassessment To become a Working Genius Certified Facilitator: https://www.workinggenius.com/client/certification/
238. Conflict Scarcity (00:20:33)
We've mentioned in the past that we think the modern workplace is in a 'conflict drought'. This week, Pat, Cody and Beau discuss the relationship between trust and conflict, and get to the bottom of what we're really missing. To listen to the Working Genius Podcast: https://www.workinggenius.com/podcast This week's unpaid ad: https://tinyurl.com/movetocolorado
237. The Heart of an Organization (00:23:45)
There are certain parts of an organization that cannot be changed without essentially refounding the whole company. This week, the team talks about core values. To listen to the Working Genius Podcast: https://www.workinggenius.com/podcast This week's unpaid ad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut
236. The Trouble With Humility (00:21:37)
Authority and humility are not mutually exclusive. This week, the team talks about the role of a leader and the importance of perspective, dignity, and self-awareness. To listen to the Working Genius Podcast: https://www.workinggenius.com/podcast Unpaid ad: https://tinyurl.com/golfscramblerules
235. The Growth Curve (00:23:12)
To avoid pain at the expense of your core values and purpose is a terrible idea. This week, Pat and the team discuss the growth curve and how organizations must approach the navigation of inevitable downturns. To listen to the Working Genius Podcast: https://www.workinggenius.com/podcast The Leadr Advantage: https://www.leadr.com/table-group
