A true-crime podcast about climate change. Reported and hosted by a team of investigative climate journalists, Drilled examines the various obstacles that have kept the world from adequately responding to climate change.
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Bonus, The Black Thread: A Legal Case Brings the Norwegian Paradox to Light (00:24:53)
In this bonus episode of The Black Thread, we zoom in on a single case that distills the Norwegian paradox perfectly: the planned electrification of the gas processing plant on Melkøya. It’s a key conflict site where Norway’s net zero transformation collides with its fossil fuel industry, Indigenous rights, the youth climate movement, worker safety, and even criticism from the United Nations.
For more information and references: https://communicatingclimatechange.com/the-black-thread
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S14, Ep13 | How Activists Effctively Fight Climate Obstruction (00:56:51)
Despite increasing repression worldwide (as we’ve documented in previous seasons), activists have been pretty effective at sticking it to obstructionists too…which is probably why all that repression is happening in the first place. In our final episode, Jennie Stephens from the University of Ireland Maynooth and Sharon Yadin from University of Haifa take us through which tactics are working and why.
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S14, Ep12 | How Litigation Works to Fight Obstruction (00:48:18)
We’ve never lied to you on Drilled and we’re not going to start now. It’s bleak out there. But some efforts to fight back against obstruction are working and litigation is one of them. In this episode we talk to London School of Economics' Joana Setzer about how courts around the world are getting involved and what that means for companies that keep reminding us they’re global.
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Drilling Deep: The Way Things Are Is Not the Way They Have to Be, with Natasha Hakimi Zapata (00:56:08)
More than a decade ago—when wind and solar power were far more expensive than they are today—the nation of Uruguay, long plagued by droughts and energy shortages, transitioned its entire economy such that some 98 percent of its electricity now comes from renewable sources. And they did it in just two years. And they used the savings to slash the country’s poverty rate from 40 percent into the single digits.
Uruguay’s conventional-wisdom-busting transformation is one of nine inspiring case studies in the journalist Natasha Hakimi Zapata’s Another World Is Possible: Lessons for America from Around the Globe. In August, Drilled spoke with Hakimi Zapata about what lessons climate advocates and policymakers around the world can learn from Uruguay’s remarkable transition, why the left should not shy away from articulating the economic case for clean energy, and how many of the progressive policies profiled in the book seem to emerge from moments of crisis.
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COP Out: What the Heck Happened at COP30? (00:56:29)
We're bringing you episode 5 of Dana R. Fisher's COP Out podcast, from the Center for Environment, Equity and Community at American University, featuring our own Amy Westervelt and legendary climate scientist Dr. Katharine Hayhoe talking about what happened at this year's COP, whether the process is fixable, and how to get the benefits of global convenings without all the headaches. Check out the rest of Dana's series here: https://cece.american.edu/cece-launches-the-copout-podcast-for-apocalyptically-optimistic-climate-conversations/
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S14, Ep11 | How and Why Climate Adaptation Measures Get Blocked (00:46:28)
Working against regulations on emissions might make a certain amount of sense for those with money to lose, but why would anyone fight against adapting to be able to survive climate disasters? In the negotiating rooms at COP30, adaptation was one of the biggest debate areas. In this episode, experts Laura Kuhl from Northeastern University and Stacy-Ann Robinson from Emory University explain why this area gets so contentious and how obstruction plays out around adaptation.
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Carbon Bros Mailbag: On Vocational Therapy, Navigating Traditional Male Spaces, and the Benefits of Solidarity (00:41:38)
Daniel and I are back after a little hiatus to bring you our long awaited Carbon Bros mailbag episode. We received so many interesting responses from people around the world. Thanks for sharing your stories, sparking ideas, and raising pivotal questions.
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Drilling Deep: Jessica Green on Why We Need More Confrontation at COP (00:47:29)
The COP is in its fourth decade. If it were capable, in its current form, of achieving its stated aim of tackling climate change, it would probably have done so by now. So why isn’t it working? How is it possible that so much fanfare, so many words, and so much work—much of it genuine and good-faith—has amounted to such little progress?
University of Toronto political science professor Jessica F. Green has some ideas. In Existential Politics: Why Global Climate Institutions Are Failing and How to Fix Them, the longtime observer of global climate negotiations and expert on carbon accounting argues that the COP embodies a “win-win” approach to a problem for which someone has to lose. The challenge, then, is to make sure the right people (and planet) do the winning, while the “fossil asset owners,” as Green describes them, do the losing.
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S14, Ep10 | The Corruption of COP (00:54:55)
The UN processes created to deal with climate change have been infiltrated by obstructive forces since jump. In this episode, as COP 30 begins, Kari de Pryck from the University of Geneva and Eduardo Viola of the Institute of International Relations in Brasil join us to look at how COP and the IPCC get hijacked by those opposed to climate action, and what we can expect to see at this year’s COP in Brazil.
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The Black Thread, Ep4 | Norway Beyond Oil (00:43:16)
In the final episode of The Black Thread, we look forwards, imagining Norway’s future. We explore how Norway might begin to loosen oil’s grip on its politics and identity, and hear how different voices envision aligning the country’s actions with its values, its reputation, and the realities of a changing climate.
For more information and references: https://communicatingclimatechange.com/the-black-thread
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S14, Ep9 | How Climate Obstruction Works at the Local Level (00:34:07)
Local governments are double-edged swords on climate, capable of either doing far more or far less than national governments and acting as either an agent of change or an agent of obstruction in and of themselves. In this episode, Rebecca Bromley-Trujillo, of Christopher Newport University and Joshua A. Basseches, of Tulane University, join to walk us through how these subnational governments work, and how they engage in climate obstruction, in various parts of the world.
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S14, Ep8 | Climate Obstruction in the Global South (00:55:29)
The U.S. is a global leader on climate obstruction, but they’re not the only ones. In this episode, M. Omar Faruque, from Queen’s University in Canada and Ruth E. McKie from De Montfort University join us to take a look at why and how those who will bear the brunt of climate change and have contributed the least, participate in climate obstruction.
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The Black Thread, Ep 3: Challenging the Narratives (00:50:19)
In the third episode of The Black Thread, we explore where the facts do and don’t match up to the stories being told by Norway’s fossil fuel industry, amplified by it’s government, and legitimised through a wealth of public outreach.
We hear experts challenge some of the most familiar narratives that keep Norwegian oil and gas pumping, while industry voices will explain the logic behind their rhetoric.
For more information and references: https://communicatingclimatechange.com/the-black-thread
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Drilling Deep: Karen House on How Saudi Arabia Has Changed Under MBS and What Those Changes Mean for the World (00:52:00)
Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter and former Wall Street Journal publisher Karen Elliott House, author of the new book The Man Who Would Be King: Mohammed bin Salman and the Transformation of Saudi Arabia, talks to Adam Lowenstein about how Saudi Arabia has changed under the crown prince; whether MBS’s gamble on economic and social freedoms alongside civil and political repression is politically—or environmentally—sustainable; how Saudi Arabia’s oil and petrochemical industries serve its geopolitical interests; and why the kingdom’s promises about transitioning away from fossil fuels might be a bit less green than climate advocates would hope.
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Carbon Bros: Abdul El-Sayed on Climate Complexities and Benevolent Masculinity (00:35:35)
We heard a little bit from El-Sayed in the final episode of our Carbon Bros miniseries, and today we're bringing you the full conversation.
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The Black Thread, Ep 2 | Petroganda (00:48:09)
In the second episode of The Black Thread, we drill into “petroganda” – the pervasive phenomenon of oil industry manipulation that a growing number of experts and commentators suggest is at work in Norway – shaping support for the country’s oil industry, influencing culture and politics, and guiding the information that the public receives, or doesn’t receive, about the relationship between oil and climate change.
We’ll explore these claims, hearing from those who study and observe the industry, as well as those working within it, about how the story of oil in Norway is told – and who is shaping it.
For more information and references: https://communicatingclimatechange.com/the-black-thread
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S14, Ep7 | How the Animal Ag Industry Obstructs Climate Policy (01:09:24)
For decades, the meat and dairy industries managed to successfully avoid any attention for the planet-heating emissions they pump into the atmosphere; once governments started talking about regulating methane, though, they started working on efforts to avoid them. In today's episode, Silvia Secchi (University of Iowa) and Kathrin Lauber (University of Edinburgh) join us to walk through "agricultural exceptionalism" and the strategies the animal ag industry uses to keep regulation and climate policy at bay.
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S14, Ep 6 | How the Coal, Utilities and Transportation Industries Obstruct Climate Policy (00:43:27)
The coal, utilities, and transportation industries have all mounted efforts to stop governments from regulating emissions or transitioning to cleaner energy. In this episode we look at how those efforts took shape around the world, and what tactics they used to block progress. Jen Schneider, at Boise State University and Gregory Trencher, at Kyoto University, join us to walk through the peer-reviewed research on these efforts.
You can now download a FREE copy of the book Climate Obstruction: A Global Survey here!
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The Black Thread, Ep 1 | Meet the Norwegians (00:42:09)
In this first episode of The Black Thread, we meet the Norwegians and explore how social norms and cultural values shape their identity as a good, caring, and nature-loving people. We also learn what happens when those values come into conflict with the reality of Norway’s outsized impact on climate change, and discover how and why oil influences peoples’ response to this dilemma.
For more information and references: https://communicatingclimatechange.com/the-black-thread
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What Should You Do With Climate Despair? A Conversation with Wen Stephenson (01:05:32)
There’s no avoiding it: Things feel pretty bleak. To witness venture-capital-fueled AI domination, democracy’s steady drift toward authoritarianism, state-sanctioned genocide, and, of course, the collapse of one climate boundary after another, is to encounter a profound, at times overwhelming, sense of despair.
But what if the path forward lies in accepting, rather than resisting, this despair? In his new book, Learning to Live in the Dark: Essays in a Time of Catastrophe, climate activist and journalist Wen Stephenson argues that the only way to confront the crises of our time is to meet this despair head-on—to see it for what it is, to feel it, and to accept what it means about where we are and where we must go. In this episode, Wen discusses how he's dealt with his own climate despair and how we can all "live into this era of climate and political and social catastrophe…while holding on to our humanity.”
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S14, Ep5 | How the Fossil Fuel Industry Sabotages Climate Action (00:51:23)
Climate obstruction isn’t just something the fossil fuel industry does, but they’ve certainly spearheaded and masterminded a lot of efforts. In this ep, an academic (Kristoffer Ekberg, from the University of Lund in Sweden), a nonprofit researcher (the legendary Kert Davies, of the Center for Climate Integrity), and a journalist (Geoff Dembicki, global managing editor of DeSmog) walk us through what we know so far about those efforts.
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S14, Ep4 | The Media As a Tool of Climate Obstruction (00:59:33)
Obstruction would never have been as effective as it has been without the help of the PR industry and the willful ignorance of the media. Today, Melissa Aronczyk, of Rutgers University, and Max Boykoff, of the University of Colorado, join us to walk through why getting a handle on the media's role in climate obstruction is critical to solving the problem.
The book Climate Obstruction: A Global Survey, is available from Oxford University Press here, and will be available for free download beginning October 14th.
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S14, Ep 3 | The Psychology of Misinformation: Why Does It Work So Well? (01:03:17)
If you want to understand how misinformation works in general…and anyone who cares about democracy should right now…there’s no one better to talk to than researchers who have been studying climate misinformation for years. In today's episode, John Cook (University of Melbourne) and Dominik A. Stecuła (Colorado State University) join to walk us through everything the research is telling us so far.
Reminder that you can get a copy of the book Climate Obstruction: A Global Survey here (and download a free digital version beginning October 14th!)
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S14, Ep2 | Welcome to the Rapture! How Rightwing Populism and Accelerationism Intersect with Climate (01:19:32)
Jesse Bryant (Yale) and Dieter Plehwe (University of Kassel) join us for a look at the intersection between the rise of rightwing populism and increasing resistance to acting on climate, with a particular focus on rising authoritarianism in the U.S., UK, and Europe.
For more on this topic, check out the book Climate Obstruction: A Global Assessment (also downloadable free after Oct 14th!): https://global.oup.com/academic/product/climate-obstruction-9780197787151?cc=us&lang=en&
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S14, Ep1 | Welcome to the World of Obstruction (01:08:46)
For at least a decade now, there’s been growing agreement around the fact that what’s stopping the world from addressing the climate crisis is not a lack of data or scientific certainty, or a lack of technological or policy measures available to address it. The problem is a lack of political will. And that didn't just happen; political will has been intentionally obstructed at every turn. As we gear up for the 30th UN climate summit, a new book pulls together everything we know about how this happened and what can be done about it. To prep for COP, Amy's reading the whole thing and talking to the researchers along the way. In today's episode, Amy's joined by Timmons Roberts (Brown University), Jennifer Jacquet (University of Miami), Carlos Milani (Rio de Janeiro State University), and Christian Downie (Australian National University) to through an overview of what we're dealing with and what we can expect in the year ahead.
You can check out the book here: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/climate-obstruction-9780197787151?cc=us&lang=en&
And download it for free from that same link after October 14th!
You can also check out the Climate Social Science Network here: https://cssn.org/
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