A podcast all about the rich history of the drums - and how they became what they are today! Join Bart van der Zee as he speaks with experts about the curious journey of the ever-evolving drum set.
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The Gear of Steve Gadd (Part 2) with Paul Wells (02:07:00)
In Part 2 of our deep-dive into the gear of Steve Gadd, Paul Wells returns to unpack even more forensic-level details about one of the most influential drummers of all time.
Building on the wildly popular Part 1, this episode revisits earlier conclusions with new photographic evidence, listener-submitted research, rare interviews, and meticulous analysis of Steve Gadd’s drum kits, heads, sizes, cymbals, and studio backline setups from the mid-1970s through the 1990s.
We explore:
• Newly discovered photos from Saturday Night Live (1975) confirming early drumhead choices
• The evolution of Gadd’s Pearl/Gretsch hybrid kit
• Deep analysis of Yamaha Recording Custom Kit #1 and #2
• Evidence-based breakdown of the Steely Dan “Aja” drum kit myth
• Backline vs personal kits on classic recordings
• The transition from Recording Custom to Maple Custom and early signature kit prototypes
If you love drum history, gear archaeology, and Steve Gadd, this one goes deep into the weeds—in the best way possible.
📺 Highly recommended to watch on YouTube — this episode includes extensive photo references throughout.
https://youtu.be/aElL-iXetrc
New Show! The Fully Vented Podcast: The Story of Orange County Drum & Percussion (00:43:46)
I am super excited to share with you the first episode of this great new podcast!
The Fully Vented Podcast: the story of Orange County Drum & Percussion
By host Jarrod Fallon and producer Evan Nagorner
New episodes premiere every Thursday at 8PM EST on Patreon and then everywhere else Saturday’s at 11AM (YouTube + everywhere you listen on all podcast platforms). Subscribe here: https://www.youtube.com/@FullyVentedPodcast
They also have a bonus segment exclusively on Patreon where we dive into what drums our guests still have in their collection!
Upcoming guest include the majority of the custom shop builders, their ghost builder, and many of the drummers that played the legendary drums, like Stevo 32 former drummer of Sum 41, Cyrus Bolooki of New Found Glory, Chris Hornbook of Poison The Well, and many more!
You can follow the podcast @FullyVentedPodcast on all socials and Youtube for updates and join their Patreon at Patreon.com/fullyventedpodcast
How Drum Sample Packs Are Created with Shawn Fields and Darrell Thorp (01:10:57)
In this episode, Bart talks with Shawn Fields, founder of Drumatica, and Grammy-winning audio engineer Darrell Thorp (Radiohead, Beck, Foo Fighters) about the creation of the groundbreaking Black Oyster drum sample library.
Shawn shares how his lifelong obsession with capturing the perfect drum sound evolved from sampling friends’ kits in the ’90s to launching Drumatica — a company dedicated to delivering “mix-ready” virtual drum instruments for musicians everywhere. He explains how years of experimentation, precision sampling, and collaboration with Sweetwater Studios led to the creation of this meticulously detailed collection.
Darrell dives into the mixing philosophy behind the Black Oyster project — from mic placement and compression choices to balancing vintage warmth with modern punch. Together, they explore how Drumatica aims to empower musicians, producers, and songwriters with authentic acoustic drum sounds that inspire creativity right out of the box.
The discussion also covers:
The origins of the “automatic drummer” concept
The painstaking process of recording and tuning hundreds of drum hits
Collaborations with top engineers like Brendan Dekora
The evolving role of AI in music creation and how Drumatica plans to use it
Why capturing every nuance of a performance still matters in the digital age
Whether you’re a drummer, producer, or recording enthusiast, this episode offers a fascinating look at the art, science, and obsession behind modern drum sampling.
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A Look at the Gear of Steve Gadd (Part 1) with Paul Wells (02:12:41)
In this episode of Drum History, we take an in-depth look at the legendary gear of Steve Gadd, one of the most recorded and influential drummers of all time.
Our returning guest, Paul Wells (Juilliard jazz faculty, Curtis Stigers, Vince Giordano & The Nighthawks), joins host Bart van der Zee for another ultra-detailed “gear episode” exploring the drums that shaped Gadd’s sound across his incredible career. Part 1 covers from Childhood to 1989.
From his early Gretsch and Rogers kits to the iconic Yamaha setup that became synonymous with his style, we trace how each era of his gear evolved — and how innovations like his tom configurations, hi-hat preferences, and snare choices influenced generations of drummers.
Paul also shares insights from his exclusive interview with Steve Gadd, arranged with help from John DeChristopher (Live From My Drum Room), and stories from Artie Smith, Steve’s longtime drum tech.
Links and resources:
📘 Steve Gadd: A Life in Time by Joe Bergamini (Hudson Music)
https://amzn.to/3KvLSP9
🥁 Gaddiments – Steve’s book of modern rudimental exercises
https://amzn.to/4h4rgd2
🎥 Ruben van Roon’s YouTube channel for rare Steve Gadd performances and breakdowns
https://www.youtube.com/@RubenvanRoonDrumChannel
and of course, Live from My Drum Room with John DeChristopher
https://www.youtube.com/@livefrommydrumroom
If you love deep gear history, detailed analysis, and legendary drumming stories, this is one you won’t want to miss.
Timestamps:
0:00 – Intro & Steve Gadd overview
2:30 – Early Gretsch kits and childhood setup
10:00 – Rogers kits, The Hustle, and the disco era
20:00 – Army years & rare cymbal stories
28:00 – Yamaha era and gear innovations
45:00 – Interview with Steve Gadd preview
55:00 – Books, resources & legacy
🎙️ Hosted by Bart van der Zee
🎵 Guest: Paul Wells
https://www.youtube.com/@paulwells2227
Your Mind’s Ear: Dave Elitch on Sound, Gear, and Playing Without Pain (00:50:22)
Drummer and educator Dave Elitch (The Mars Volta, Weezer, Miley Cyrus) joins me to break down why so many drummers hit a ceiling—and how to fix it with better mechanics, smarter practice, and choices that actually translate to the kit. We dig into eliminating hidden tension, building sustainable speed and feel, practical tuning and muffling, and Dave’s new course Your Mind’s Ear on dialing in sound and gear (launching September 8, 2025).
Highlights
The #1 mistake: building speed on top of tension—and how to unwind it
Meeting players where they are: playing “more you” without pain
Social media vs. reality: flashy techniques that won’t hold up on a gig
Practical tuning & muffling (heads, dampening, avoiding dead drums)
Small daily habits that prevent injury and compound progress
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How To Pronounce the Tough Drum Brand Names with Eric Leiderman (01:06:28)
Ever wondered if you’ve been saying Tama, Paiste, or Sonor correctly? You’re not alone! In this episode, Late Night with Seth Meyers producer and friend to all drummer's, Eric Leiderman joins the show to settle the debate on how to pronounce some of the most commonly mispronounced drum brands.
We break down the correct pronunciations of brands like Ludwig, Zildjian, Meinl, Sabian, Canopus, Trixon, Gretsch, and more, with recordings from the companies themselves.! Whether you’re a seasoned drummer or just starting out, this episode is a must-listen to make sure you’re saying these legendary names the right way.
Tune in and never mispronounce Paiste again!
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Drumming Insights: A look at "Drummers on Drumming" with Ben Hilzinger (01:05:20)
We are joined by Ben Hilzinger, professional drummer and author of Drummers on Drumming, to explore the stories behind the records that shaped the legends of the drumming world. Ben shares his experiences performing with bands like Cannons and Eve 6, hosting his acclaimed podcast, and diving into the journeys of iconic and up-and-coming drummers through his book.
Discover the challenges, inspirations, and unique philosophies that define what it means to be a drummer today. Whether you're a seasoned percussionist, an aspiring player, or just someone who loves great music, this interview is packed with insights to inspire your musical journey. Don't miss this engaging conversation with a creative force in the drumming community!
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The History of How We Buy Drums with Gerry Porter (01:14:30)
In this episode, we dive into the fascinating history and evolution of buying and selling drums with special guest Gerry Porter of Hazelshould.com. From the dapper beginnings of mom-and-pop drum shops in bustling cities to the rise of mail-order catalogs that revolutionized access to musical instruments, we trace the industry's transformation. We'll explore how massive retailers like Guitar Center and Sam Ash brought drums to the masses and discuss how platforms like eBay and Reverb.com shifted the marketplace entirely online.
Gerry Porter brings his deep insights and expertise to this episode. Don’t miss his thoughtful takes on how these changes have shaped the way drummers find and sell gear today.
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Finding a New Rhythm: Ryan Dusick on Life After Maroon 5 (00:49:55)
In this episode, we dive deep into the extraordinary journey of Ryan Dusick, the original drummer for Maroon 5. Ryan shares his experiences of rising to fame with one of the world’s most popular bands, the mental health and substance struggles that forced him to step away, and his remarkable path to recovery. We discuss how he rebuilt his life, found a new purpose as a therapist, and authored his powerful memoir Harder to Breathe. Don’t miss this inspiring conversation about resilience, self-discovery, and creating a new rhythm in life.
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A Deep Dive into Shakers with William Johnson (00:54:04)
Join us as we explore the fascinating world of shakers, one of the most versatile and underrated percussive instruments! In this episode, we dive into the origins of shakers, their unique classifications, and a variety of playing techniques. Whether you’re a percussion enthusiast or a curious music lover, you’ll gain insights into how these simple instruments add rhythm and texture to music around the globe.
Our special guest, William Johnson, brings his extensive expertise and passion for percussion to the conversation. With over 25 years of experience as a performer, composer, and educator, William has recorded on more than two dozen albums, collaborated with award-winning artists, and produced music featured on networks like TLC, Univision, and Discovery. A former Air Force member with a Master’s in Ethnomusicology, William draws inspiration from his Latin heritage and global travels to create and teach diverse musical styles.
Discover the art and rhythm of shakers in this engaging discussion!
Check out more about William here:
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How to Ergonomically Set Up Your Drum Set with Brandon Green (01:04:49)
Brandon Green from drummechanics.com joins us on the show to give us a 101 course on all things drum ergonomics and how to play the drums without any pain! We go every piece of the drum set and discuss how to set them up individually for the best results in both comfort and ease for your body, and also to get the best and most efficient performance. Brandon is an expert on ergonomics on the drum set, and also in his daily business where he works with athletes, performers, and everyday people in pain.
You can check out Brandon's brand new course on his website: https://www.drummechanics.com/
and find him on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/@brandondrummechanics
The History of Baldman Percussion with Mike Mckee and Danny Young (01:01:03)
Baldman Percussion hit the drum scene in 2018 and took the industry by storm with the Junk Hat! In 6 short years, they have become 2x NAMM best in show winners, created products that are beloved by drummers such as Travis Barker, Matt Chamberlain and Thomas Pridgen, and had a great time doing it.
Mike Mckee and Danny Young are professional drummers who have a perfect balance of business skills to make this brand work. Mike has the business savvy and Danny is the design mastermind behind these unique products. The story of Baldman is a great story that is very fun to hear and inspiring for all drummers, business owners, and people who want to mix the two.
Check out www.baldmanpercussion.com and find them on all social platforms at @baldmanpercussion
Cheers to 6 Years of Drum History Podcast! (00:07:44)
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The Gear of Nicko McBrain (Part 2) with Shane Kinney (01:47:09)
Nicko McBrain is the power behind Iron Maiden and one of the most iconic drummers of all time. Shane Kinney joins me back on the show to share his immense knowledge of Nicko's drums, cymbals, hardware, heads, and accessories. In part 2, we cover his switch to from Sonor to Premier drums, Vic Firth, DW Pedals, and so much more. Nicko had a brief and wonderful return to Sonor drums in the 2010's, but it was not meant to be - he was drawn to the incredible British Drum Co. because of the amazing sound of the drums and his love for everything English!
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The Gear of Nicko McBrain (Part 1) with Shane Kinney (01:36:43)
Nicko McBrain is the power behind Iron Maiden and one of the most iconic drummers of all time. Shane Kinney joins me on the show to share his immense knowledge of Nicko's drums, cymbals, hardware, heads, and accessories. We cover his first six Sonor drum sets all the way up to the messy end of the relationship, which left Nicko so angry that he immediately ended his decade-long partnership with Sonor! Part 2 will pick up with his switch to Premier drums in the next episode.
Shane is the owner of Drum Center of Portsmouth, the world’s largest drum store, and has worked directly with Nicko to put together this definitive deep dive into all things Nicko McBrain! Check out DCP here: https://drumcenternh.com/ and their YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@drumcenternh
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Talking Drums, King Gizzard, and Inspiration with Michael "Cavs" Cavanagh (00:22:15)
Cav's and I chatted before the King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard concert on 08/25/24 in Newport Ky. We discuss his inspirations, his current set up (C&C and Dream Cymbals), King Gizzard, and his solo projects. Cav's is one of my favorite drummers so this was an absolute honor to speak with him and see the show up from the side of the stage.
Here is a drum cam video I shot of King Gizz and Cav's performing "Motor Spirit": https://youtu.be/yBsJJOVSDoY
and here is a great FULL gear run down with Cav's from Modern Drummer (Different kit, similar set up): https://youtu.be/tMxYSfiqNjk?si=Wtrbwr31p6hGknNU
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The Celebrity Drum Dealer with Donn Bennett (01:07:09)
Donn Bennett is one of the foremost dealers of rare and celebrity drum sets in the world! He shares with us how he got into this unique profession, some of his most biggest success stories, and many lessons that he has learned along the way over his 30+ year career. Donn has also built a reputation for himself as being the go-to dealer for the biggest bands in the world who want to liquidate warehouses full of collections. He shares an amazing story about how Aerosmith called him to clear out a HUGE warehouse full of equipment, and how he had to trust his gut and take on the biggest collection he had every purchased. After he did that, even more doors opened and he still continues to grow to this day.
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The Studio Drums of Lars Ulrich (Part 2) with Chris Russio (01:24:58)
The St. Anger Snare is finally figured out! Chris Russio joins me back on the podcast to do a super deep dive into all of the studio drum sets, cymbals, heads, sticks, accessories, percussion and everything else used by Lars Ulrich from 2001 to Today! We talk about all of the infamous St. Anger Snare drum and everything that went wrong with that album. Then we get into the recording of Death Magnetic, Hardwired to Self Destruct, and 72 Seasons. This closes out our Lars Deep dive and gives you the FULL story of all of Lars Ulrich's drums over the years.
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1000 Year Old Robotic Drummers!? Al-Jazari's 12th Century Mechanical Marvels (00:11:22)
In this solo episode, I take a deep dive into the 1000 year old automaton drummers that were created by 12th century Islamic inventor, Al-Jazari. These VERY early robots are amazing marvels of engineering and predominantly feature drummers who play kettle drums and cymbals to alert people in Mesopotamia (now Turkey) of the time of day with extremely elaborate clocks. These drummers are direct predecessors to modern day cars and machinery, as Al-Jazari is credited with the creation of turning rotary motion into linear motion with crank and connecting rods, which is essential for making pumps and engines possible. Basically, drummers are at the core of the history of everything :)
Here are the links:
History channel video - https://youtu.be/fxjh_yodeBo?si=uK82GB1mWRxzQGKL
Al-Jazari Book (free pdf) - https://archive.org/details/cover_20200113_2057/
The Studio Drums of Lars Ulrich (Part 1) with Chris Russio (01:25:50)
Chris Russio joins me back on the podcast to do a super deep dive into all of the studio drum sets, cymbals, heads, sticks, accessories, percussion and everything else used by Lars Ulrich from 1982 to 2001! We talk about all of the earliest known recordings of Metallica on his Camco drum set, through all the Tamas, the famous Sabian HiHats, and the iconic Black Album Gretsch drums, up to Load/Reload/Garage Inc. Part 2 will cover St. Anger through to today!
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Why Do Drum Brands Sound Different? with Jeff Kirsch (01:34:17)
Jeff Kirsch teaches us the real reason why the biggest drum brands in the world sound different from each other, and in some cases, why they sound exactly the same. We discuss brands such as Ludwig, Gretsch, Leedy, Tama, Camco, DW, just to name a few. We talk about the different shell constructions, ply counts, use of re-rings, rise of Japanese builders and the fall and resurrection of the great American brands and a whole lot more!
Jeff is a master drum builder and a staple of the custom drum builder scene in the USA. He always brings a great perspective to all aspects of the drum industry so I really appreciate hearing his insight on this topic. Check out his site at www.kirschdrums.com and find him on Instagram at @kirschdrumsportland
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The Drum Gear of Primus with Tim "Herb" Alexander (00:53:27)
Tim "Herb" Alexander joins me on the show to discuss his iconic drum sets that were used in classic Primus music videos such as Jerry Was A Race Car Driver, My Name is Mud, John The Fisherman, Wynona Big Brown Beaver, DMV and much more! I am a longtime Primus fan and I learned a TON from this conversation. Tim is a 3x grammy nominee and multi-platinum recording artist who has not only helped shape the world of modern rock and roll with Primus, but also has shared the stage with Puscifer and A Perfect Circle.
Tim also tells us all about his new "Stick Academy" project which is bringing the knowledge and skills of Herb to the masses through his website, https://www.stickacademy.com/ and the stick academy app!
Herb is one of my favorite drummers of all time and this is truly a bucket list interview for me. I am very honored to have him on the show and I hope you guys like it! Be sure to check it out on my YouTube channel to see the clips we are talking about! https://www.youtube.com/@DrumHistoryPodcast
The HUGE Alex Van Halen Auction with Kurt Ekstrom (01:15:31)
Alex Van Halen is auctioning off hundreds of unbelievable items that have never been seen by public eyes, plus some of his most iconic drum sets that he played with Van Halen! Kurt Ekstrom joins me back on the podcast to look through this incredible auction and dissect tons of these rare items. Kurt covered all of AVH's career on the podcast last year and this dovetails perfectly with that episode and answers many questions that Kurt and I had with that original series!
Here is a link to the auction: https://www.backstageauctions.com/catalog/alex-van-halen-highlights/ac/0/2245/
Here is Kurts original Alex Van Halen gear series:
Part 1: https://youtu.be/0CCHRGwTN6A?si=Oedp43LrlCbkHdi_
Part 2: https://youtu.be/HIrn5i0kIzU?si=za29yI3Noytu_02c
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A Look at the Gear of Danny Seraphine with Tate Berkey (02:34:58)
Danny Seraphine is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducted, world-famous original drummer of Chicago. Tate Berkey has been researching Danny's gear for the last year and has compiled an exhaustive look at all things Danny Seraphine. We cover his earliest drum kits, his time with Slingerland drums, his Zildjian endorsements, and then his switch to Yamaha and DW. Danny is a consummate gearhead and loved to experiment with different sizes, configurations, especially the use of concert toms.
We cover Danny Seraphine's entire career in this episode, and Tate doesn't leave any stone unturned! Enjoy a few playlists that Tate made to hear Danny's playing.
Spotify Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2ZV8AhRHfv8rsYzKCeQmtb?si=bf9893672de14d8f
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The Lessons of Robbie Gonzalez with Rob Hart (01:08:59)
Rob Hart takes us through audio clips of his former mentor and teacher Robbie Gonzalez which gives us first hand knowledge and ideas of this great mind of drumming. Robbie Gonzalez was a Berklee professor, prolific recording artist, and performed with greats like Al Di Meola. This episode features many great recordings of Robbie performing live and also working in the lesson room with Rob Hart. This is a continuation of the "mentors series" that Rob has been doing here on Drum History Podcast. The other episodes include clips with Mike Clark, Steve Smith, Tony Williams and more to come.
Here are Rob's other episodes:
Steve Smith Lessons: https://youtu.be/x1VhErqph_Y
Mike Clark Lessons: https://youtu.be/ZNcAIuIw0L8
Tony Williams Clinic Breakdown: https://youtu.be/I7t9HfrPlh0
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