AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the evolving landscape of AI, empowering the legal community to thrive in an era of unprecedented innovation.This podcast is presented by the American Arbitration Association with Creative Lawyers, and distributed by PLI - bridging world-class legal education with the global leader in dispute resolution. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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What will AI actually change in law by 2026—and how should firms, courts, and legal institutions prepare? In this season two finale of AI and the Future of Law, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack step back from the hype cycle to offer grounded, practical predictions about the next few years.They explore Google’s Gemini 3 and the shift from chatbots to agentic systems, the “platformization” of legal services driven by MSOs, ALSPs, and private equity, and the new talent demands this creates inside law firms. Along the way, they introduce ideas like AI legal twins, AI co-mediators, and opt-in court pilots for low-stakes disputes—and ask what leaders across the justice system should be planning for now.Topics Covered:How Gemini 3 and agentic AI systems move beyond simple chatbotsWhy private equity, MSOs, and ALSPs may “platformize” legal servicesThe new talent equation: from 1Ls to AI leaders in the C-suiteProvocative ideas like AI legal twins and AI co-mediatorsHow courts might experiment with opt-in AI pilots for low-stakes cases Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Building AI Tools for All: Closing the Justice Gap with Sateesh Nori & Tom Martin (00:36:03)
How can AI expand access to justice for the millions who can’t afford a lawyer? In this episode, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Sateesh Nori and Tom Martin about AI tools reshaping legal help, including Depositron for security deposit disputes and Law Answers AI for jurisdiction-specific guidance.They discuss Sateesh’s journey from housing court to AI innovation, Tom’s work building scalable solutions for the public, and the profession’s ongoing debate over “second-tier justice.” What emerges is a compelling vision for AI as a bridge—not a barrier—to legal help.Topics: • How AI is transforming access to justice • Why the legal system leaves most people without help • The creation of Depositron and LawAnswers AI • “Second-tier justice” vs. real-world legal outcomes • Moonshot visions for AI-enabled legal service delivery Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Making Talk Cheap: Are AI Tools Devaluing Legal Writing? (00:38:35)
Is AI making legal writing too easy—and too cheap? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore how generative AI tools are reshaping writing as a professional skill. They discuss the paper “Making Talk Cheap,” which argues that when anyone can generate polished text, writing loses its value as a signal of skill, effort, or merit. What does this mean for hiring, advancement, and lawyering in the AI era? Plus, they unpack a new Wharton study showing how enterprise AI use is soaring—with real ROI—while sharing personal stories of AI’s practical impact.Topics Covered:Wharton’s 2025 report on enterprise AI adoption and ROI (vs. the “failed pilots” narrative)How generative AI is leveling the playing field in writing qualityThe Making Talk Cheap study on devalued written work and hiring signalsImplications for legal hiring, promotion, and skill development in the AI era Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
AI in LA Courts: David Slayton on Access to Justice (00:39:11)
Can AI make the nation’s largest trial court more accessible, trusted, and just? In this episode, LA Superior Court CEO, David Slayton joins hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget Mary McCormack to unpack how generative AI is already reshaping court services—and why “effective” beats “efficient.” We explore Court Help on LACourt.gov, change-management tactics that stick, and the delicate balance between moving too slowly (and getting overwhelmed) and too fast (and losing public trust). Practical, candid, and grounded in real operations, this conversation offers a roadmap for legal leaders navigating AI.Topics covered:Court Help and responsible gen-AI designServing self-represented litigants at scaleChange management in high-trust institutionsRisks of moving too slow—or too fast—on AIPredictive analytics, triage, and future workflows Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Live from MAICON 2025: Building AAA’s First AI Arbitrator (00:27:28)
Can an AI fairly decide a dispute—and win party trust? Recorded live at MAICON 2025, this episode dives into the American Arbitration Association’s first AI arbitrator, a documents-only two-party workflow designed for construction cases with a human in the loop. AAA President Bridget McCormack explains the multi-agent architecture, why procedural fairness matters, and how the tool reflects a century of arbitration expertise. We also unpack OpenAI’s Sora 2 rollout, likeness/IP controversies, and the shift from opt-out to permission-first models—and what deepfakes mean for courts and the rule of law.Topics covered:How AAA’s AI arbitrator works (and when to use it)Human oversight, speed, and cost gainsSora 2’s IP backlash and policy reversalDeepfakes, watermarking limits, and courtroom risk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
How AI Is Changing Legal Education with Dyane O’Leary and Jonah Perlin (00:42:41)
How should law schools teach judgment, writing, and readiness in the age of AI? Georgetown’s Jonah Perlin and Suffolk’s Dyane O’Leary join hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack to explore how generative AI is reshaping legal education—from 1L writing and grading to ethics, policy, and professional judgment.They share real classroom experiments that reveal how professors are using AI to teach reasoning and curiosity, and how schools are balancing innovation with integrity through redesigned assessments and “AI literacy” curricula. The conversation also dives into multimodal and voice-based tools transforming how students learn, communicate, and prepare for modern practice.Topics covered:How AI is transforming legal writing and pedagogyGrading, integrity, and fairness in the AI eraWhat “practice-ready” means for future lawyersThe rise of multimodal and voice-driven learningBuilding judgment and curiosity through AI Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Can Judges Use AI? Inside the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s Interim Policy (00:36:20)
Can state‑court judges safely use generative AI? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack unpack Pennsylvania’s interim policy for courts—what it allows, what it restricts, and how human review and confidentiality guardrails work in practice. They compare real AI workflows from their own desks—editing a book with Claude and turning a long essay into slides—and dissect the “AI pilots are failing” storyline versus the reality of high adoption and slower ROI. You’ll also hear why court labs, enterprise access, and judge‑focused guidelines matter now.We cover:Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s interim AI policy and guardrailsAI Aha!: Claude as editor; ChatGPT vs. Claude vs. Gemini for slidesMIT “AI pilots” narrative vs. actual adoption and ROI timelinesCourt “AI labs,” enterprise licenses, and chatbots for self‑represented litigantsMichigan pilot with Learned Hand and practical guidance for judgesEpisode Highlights:02:56 AI Aha! Moments10:10 What Just Happened: MIT Report21:55 Main Topic: PA Supreme Court’s Interim AI policy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Inside Legal Innovation: AI Adoption with Jae Um & Ilona Logvinova (00:50:34)
What does it take to modernize a 100-year-old legal institution and prepare lawyers for the AI era? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack sit down with Jae Um (Lumio) and Ilona Logvinova (Cleary Gottlieb) to explore how legal organizations move from AI experiments to real impact. From acquisitions and change management to digital agents and legal education reform, this conversation breaks down what actually drives innovation in law.We cover:Practical AI workflows and tools in legal practiceCulture, incentives, and strategy in firm innovationInorganic vs. organic growth (acquisitions and beyond)Digital agents and the future of early-career legal workHow law schools must evolve for AI-native practiceEpisode Highlights:02:15 AI Aha! Moments10:39 Inorganic Growth & Innovation Strategy32:50 Law Schools & Learning in the AI Era Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
GPT-5 and the Future of Legal AI Regulation (00:34:28)
Is GPT-5 good enough to practice law? This episode dives into OpenAI’s newest model and its implications for legal practice, including how it compares to previous models and where human oversight remains essential. Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack also unpack a groundbreaking report from IAALS on regulating AI in legal services, shifting the focus from lawyers to consumers.Episode Highlights:(2:22) AI Aha! Moments: AI and human error in court(12:52) What Just Happened: Key features and legal benchmarks of GPT-5(20:50) IAALS phased approach to AI oversight(28:13) How courts and communities are adapting to AI toolsRead the IAALS report on regulating AI in law here: https://iaals.du.edu/sites/default/files/documents/publications/ulr_regulating_ai.pdf Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Garfield Law: Inside the World’s First AI-Native Law Firm (00:41:20)
What happens when a litigator and a quantum physicist build a law firm from the ground up with AI at its core? In this episode, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Phillip Young and Daniel Long of Garfield Law, the UK’s first fully AI-native, regulator-approved law firm. They share how Garfield streamlines small debt claims, navigated unprecedented regulatory scrutiny, and solved AI hallucination risks with a hybrid expert system. Along the way, they explore what AI integration could mean for lawyers, courts, and access to justice worldwide.Episode Highlights:(2:38) AI Aha! Moments: Using Claude as a Lifestyle Assistant(5:01) Origin of Garfield Law(13:00) Regulation, Ethics, and Tech Safeguards(26:07) The Future of LawTopics include:-Building the Garfield AI platform-Winning regulatory approval in the UK-Tackling hallucination in legal AI-Future of API-integrated courts-Implications for legal training and the profession Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Can AI Help You Win in Court? A New Era of Self-Representation (00:40:59)
Could AI make you a better advocate than a lawyer? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore real-world stories of self-represented litigants using AI tools to win cases, plus a bold proposal to allow “robot lawyers” in appellate arguments. From century rides powered by ChatGPT to experiments in legal education innovation, this conversation tackles the evolving role of AI in justice.Episode Highlights(3:02) AI Aha! Moments: Fitness and food ordering hacks(7:41) ChatGPT Agents explained(19:37) Self-represented litigant wins appeal with AI(22:17) Adam Unikowski's jaw-dropping experimentTopics covered:– A self-represented litigant’s AI-assisted appellate victory– Adam Unikowsky’s robot lawyer experiment at SCOTUS– ChatGPT Agents and task-based automation– AI for legal research, CLE, and gamification– Why courts should pilot AI-supported oral arguments Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Building an AI-Forward Law Firm: Lessons from Quinn Emanuel (00:40:25)
What happens when a top litigation firm lets lawyers truly experiment with AI?In this episode, Jen and Bridget sit down with Jen Reeves and Chris Kercher of Quinn Emanuel to explore how one of the world’s top law firms is embracing AI from the inside out. From launching a grassroots Skunk Works group to using Claude and ChatGPT in high-stakes litigation, they share how culture, leadership, and curiosity are driving real results. Perfect for lawyers, tech leaders, and anyone wondering how AI is actually being used in practice today.Episode Highlights(2:17) AI Aha! Moments: ChatGPT Planned the Roadtrip and Made the Punchlist.(5:13) How Quinn Emanuel Built an AI Culture That Stuck(15:40) The Mindset Shift That Unlocks AI Use(23:54) AI for Small Firms: Where to Start and What to SkipTopics include:– Building an AI culture without mandates– Using Claude to manage real litigation workflows– Why context beats prompts– Advice for small firms and solos– How AI is making law more fun (and faster) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Training the Next Generation of Lawyers: How AI Is Redefining Legal Training (00:33:36)
What happens when the apprenticeship model breaks?In this episode, Jen and Bridget explore how AI is reshaping legal education and associate training, from the classroom to the law firm. Sparked by a conversation by Wharton professor Ethan Mollick, the hosts ask: If the old model of learning-by-osmosis no longer works, what comes next? Episode Highlights(3:07) Bridget’s latest AI Aha!: Prototyping a GPT to simulate arbitration coaching scenarios(5:18) Jen’s latest AI Aha!: Using ChatGPT’s deep research mode to enhance citation checking and targeted teaching(7:40) Ethan Mollick’s provocative claim: “The apprenticeship model broke this summer” and what it means for legal training(19:41) Harvey AI partners with LexisNexis and iManage. Is this the tipping point for generative AI in law?Key Questions We Explore:How can AI help rebuild legal training systems from the ground up?What role might custom GPTs play in associate development and coaching?How do we ensure AI-driven tools support access to justice, not just Big Law?Keywords: legal education, associate training, apprenticeship, GPTs, coaching, arbitration, Harvey AI, LexisNexis, iManage, legal workflows, custom GPTs, legal AI, access to justice, Ethan Mollick, pro bono innovationThis podcast is presented by the American Arbitration Association with Creative Lawyers, and distributed by the Practising Law Institute - bridging world-class legal education with the global leader in dispute resolution. Produced by Aaron Tran. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
A New Name, A New Era: Welcome to AI and the Future of Law (00:07:00)
In Episode 27, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack kick off a new chapter with a fresh name — AI and the Future of Law — and a new presenting partnership with the Practising Law Institute (PLI), in collaboration with the American Arbitration Association. The rebrand reflects their evolving mission while keeping the heart of the podcast intact: accessible, thought-provoking insights on how AI is reshaping the legal profession.Listeners can expect the same candid co-host dialogue, plus a broader range of formats, including expert interviews. In this bite-sized bonus episode, Jen and Bridget celebrate the new launch and share personal “AI Aha!” moments — from ChatGPT-powered tick identification in Michigan to motivational coaching for long-distance runs. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
ChatGPT Gets an A+: What That Means for Law School, Workflows, and Your Everyday Life (00:39:49)
What does it mean when AI outperforms law students? In this episode, Jen and Bridget explore a groundbreaking study showing that OpenAI’s latest model, O3, earned A+ grades on actual law school finals — outperforming top students in multiple subjects. But that’s just one part of the story.Episode Highlights(3:02) Bridget’s latest “AI Aha!” — using ChatGPT to design and facilitate a 300-person workshop in under 60 minutes(7:13) Jen’s latest “AI Aha!” — leveraging Deep Research to uncover funding leads and pitch differentiators for a nonprofit project(11:53) Meta’s $14.8 billion investment in Scale AI and the race for superintelligence(18:22) OpenAI’s new integrations with Gmail, Slack, and Asana — and what that means for legal workflows and privacy(23:02) A new study shows ChatGPT earning A+ grades on law school finals — prompting urgent questions about legal education, assessment, and what skills truly matterKey Questions We Explore:- Are traditional law exams still relevant?- How should law schools and employers adapt?- What new skills matter most in an AI-enabled legal future?#ChatGPT #LegalTech #FutureOfLaw #AIinEducation #OpenAI #MetaAI #LegalInnovation #2030VisionPodcastAI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the evolving landscape of AI, empowering the legal community to thrive in an era of unprecedented innovation.Produced by Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What Just Happened? Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, and the AI Firehose (00:46:57)
Episode Highlights(03:27) Bridget’s AI Aha: Building “Bridget’s Second Brain” using ChatGPT and Microsoft tools(11:05) Jen’s AI Aha: AI itineraries, sci-fi style research, and nail polish via ChatGPT(17:30) What Just Happened: The firehose of announcements from Google I/O(24:28) Claude Opus 4 and the “grown, not built” philosophy at Anthropic(37:59) Microsoft’s AI plumbing: Connecting court systems and scaling impact(41:08) OpenAI & Jony Ive: Rethinking hardware for a world beyond screensEpisode DescriptionIs it possible to keep up with AI when the pace of innovation feels like a firehose? Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack recap an extraordinary week of AI announcements from Google, OpenAI, Microsoft, and Anthropic—and explain why every lawyer should be paying attention. From Claude Opus 4’s “grown, not built” philosophy to Sam Altman’s $6.5B play to redesign hardware with Jony Ive, the future of AI is arriving fast—and it's already changing how legal professionals work.Bridget shares how ChatGPT helped her build a personal “Second Brain” for organizing professional chaos, while Jen experiments with AI trip planning, voice-mode research, and on-the-go translation. They also dive into the generational shift in how engineers and researchers think about innovation—“We’ll solve for that”—and why the legal world needs to adopt that mindset.If you’ve been waiting for the right moment to explore AI tools, this is your wake-up call. Because the most important takeaway from this episode? You’re not too late. But you don’t want to fall further behind.Key TakeawaysGoogle isn’t just adding AI—they’re rebuilding their entire ecosystem around it. With Gemini integrated into search, docs, and even hardware, the tools lawyers already use are becoming AI-native by default.Claude Opus 4 Isn’t Just Smart—It’s Reflective: With its “grown, not built” mindset, Claude challenges how we understand AI. It’s not about perfect outputs—it’s about persistent, deep reasoning over time, something law needs but rarely builds for.Microsoft’s AI Infrastructure Fix: Microsoft’s announcements focused on data plumbing—connecting siloed systems in courts and governments. It may not be sexy, but it’s foundational for real change in justice delivery.OpenAI + Jony Ive = No More Screens?: With a $6.5B move to reimagine AI hardware, OpenAI is chasing the next interface revolution—wearables, voice-first tools, and frictionless access to intelligence, far beyond the browser.We’ll Solve for That” Is the Mindset Law Needs: Engineers assume problems are solvable. Lawyers assume problems are risks. That cultural mismatch is why the legal field lags in AI adoption—and what needs to change first.It’s Not Too Late. Catch Up Fast: The AI tools are here, and most people haven’t used them. Starting today puts you just weeks behind the front of the pack—not years. There’s still time to lead, not lag.KeywordsAI in law, OpenAI, Anthropic, Claude Opus 4, Microsoft Copilot, Gemini, Jony Ive, ChatGPT voice mode, legal innovation, legal tech, AI, court system integration, AI safety, AGI, future of work, AI strategy, innovation mindset2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the evolving landscape of AI, empowering the legal community to thrive in an era of unprecedented innovation.Produced by Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The UK Just Approved an AI-Only Law Firm. Is the U.S. Ready? (00:37:54)
In this episode of 2030 Vision, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore OpenAI’s surprising executive reshuffle, Google's declining grip on search to the UK’s official authorization of Garfield Law, the first an AI-native law firm.Jen and Bridget analyze the implications of Garfield AI's regulatory approval, the practical limits of paraprofessional models in the U.S., and how agile regulation could unlock innovation while maintaining public trust. They also examine the concept of Jae Um’s "Bionic Boutiques", law firms that blend elite legal expertise with AI-powered agents and debate how this model could redefine leverage, value, and access to justice.They share personal insights on using AI to evaluate website quality and prepare for a live television interview, while reflecting on broader shifts in legal education, practice, and client service as the profession adapts to a world rapidly approaching AGI.Episode Highlights:(2:54) Bridget’s AI Aha! From foraging on the Appalachian Trail to prepping for live TV, Bridget shares how AI helped identify mushrooms and simulate interview feedback.(4:48) Jen’s AI Aha! Jen runs her website through Ogilvy’s marketing taxonomy—then gets ChatGPT to tailor it for legal audiences. Game-changer for law firm sites.(7:03) What Just Happened at OpenAI OpenAI appoints a second CEO. Are they splitting responsibilities ahead of AGI? And what does it mean for the future of applications?(12:38) Google’s Antitrust Trial & Search Decline Apple execs reveal Google Search usage is dropping—for the first time in 20 years. Is AI replacing traditional search?(15:58) Garfield AI: UK’s First AI-Only Law Firm Meet Garfield Law: approved by UK regulators to deliver legal services entirely through AI. What does this mean for U.S. regulation?(29:58) Bionic Boutiques & the Future of Legal Practice Jae Um’s bold predictions: $10K/hour partners, AI agents doing associate work, and billion-dollar firms with zero overhead. Are bionic boutiques the next big shift?Key Discussion Points:OpenAI's structural shakeup and the race toward AGIGoogle’s search engine under threat from AI tools like ChatGPT and PerplexityRegulatory differences between the U.S. and UK on legal AI toolsGarfield Law: The first AI-native law firm approved to practiceThe future of legal service delivery: Bionic boutiques and paraprofessionalsWhat legal education and junior roles might look like in an AI worldKeywords: AI in law, Garfield Law, OpenAI, AGI, regulation, bionic boutiques, legal tech, legal education, Google vs ChatGPT, access to justice, future of workAbout the Podcast: 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Can AI Be More Persuasive Than a Human Lawyer? (00:40:58)
In this episode, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore a mind-bending new study where AI bots outperformed humans in changing people’s minds on Reddit — by a long shot. What does this mean for the legal profession, where persuasion is core to the craft?From evaluating reasoning-first models like OpenAI’s new o3 and Google’s Gemini 2.5, to watching AI walk through logic, fix math errors, and even critique your work with a little snark, Bridget and Jen break down the rapid advancements redefining competence and advocacy in real time.They also share how memory-enabled AI is reshaping their workflows, the rise of “AI bias” in AI-generated summaries, and the deep implications for lawyers, clients, and law students alike. If AI can generate more persuasive legal arguments — what’s left for us? And how should law schools adapt?Episode Highlights:3:54 - AI Aha! Moment: AI Spots Your Blind Spots and Helps You Improve14:52 What Just Happened: Are We Already Living with AGI (Artificial General Intelligence)?25:55 -Why AI Wins More Arguments Than LawyersKey Discussion Points:What the Reddit persuasion study reveals about AI’s rhetorical superpowers.How AI memory and voice interfaces are transforming legal workflows and personal insight.Why lawyers should expect clients, co-counsel, and judges to already be using AI.The double-edged sword of AI hallucinations in reasoning models — and how to prompt around them.Real-world use cases for AI-enhanced persuasive strategies in law.The future of legal education: How schools might teach persuasion differently in an AI-first world.Why lawyers may soon be responding to AI critiques of their own work product.KeywordsAI persuasion, legal tech, reasoning models, ChatGPT memory, AGI, OpenAI o3, Gemini 2.5, Change My View study, AI hallucinations, legal argumentation, law school innovation, client communication, negotiation, voice mode AI, ElevenLabs, HeyGen, RAG, future of lawyering, professional skills, Reddit bots, rhetorical strategy, legal ethicsAbout the Podcast2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Ethics of AI in Lawyering: Is It Unethical Not to Use AI? (00:29:30)
Is it possible that not using AI could soon be seen as unethical for lawyers? Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard dive into two recent Georgia cases where savvy use of AI helped lawyers win major verdicts and why these examples could signal a turning point in professional responsibility.Along the way, Bridget shares her AI "aha" moment with ChatGPT acting as a woods guide (and porcupine expert), while Jen explores how AI’s voice mode turbocharged her workflow. They also unpack the provocative AI 2027 Report, which predicts a near-future explosion of superintelligent AI and its impact on law, society, and ethics.From personal injury trials to global AI arms races, this episode challenges listeners to reimagine what “competence” looks like in a rapidly evolving profession and why AI isn’t just a tool, but a future teammate you can’t afford to ignore.Episode Highlights:(02:54) Bridget’s AI Aha: Using ChatGPT as a nature guide and getting schooled on porcupines(05:49) Jen’s AI Aha: Voice-mode website editing and using ElevenLabs for hands-free learning(9:50) What Just Happened: Exploring the AI 2027 Report and the path to superintelligence(19:16) Lawyers, Ethics, and AI: Two Georgia cases show why ethical duties may be shifting(23:45) Rethinking Client Advocacy: Why using AI could become a new professional mandateKey Discussion Points:How AI is changing everyday problem-solving and new ways AI assistants boost productivity and creativity in professional work.The AI 2027 Forecast: Why researchers believe super intelligent AI could arrive by 2027—and what that means for law and society.Two medical malpractice cases illustrate how AI-assisted research and storytelling can transform trial outcomes.Why integrating AI thoughtfully may soon be required for ethical, client-centered lawyering.What rising anxiety around AI means for lawyers and their clients.How AI levels the playing field for plaintiffs’ lawyers, solo practitioners, and small firms.Keywords:AI and law, legal ethics, AI 2027 report, superintelligence, legal tech, ChatGPT, ElevenLabs, legal innovation, plaintiff lawyering, change management, client-centered lawyering, trial strategy, research automation, professional responsibility, future of work, AI accelerationAbout the Podcast:2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Future-Proofing Your Law Firm: Lessons from AI Benchmarking (00:38:15)
What happens when AI performs on par with lawyers—and even beats them at key tasks? Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore the implications of the VAL benchmarking report, which compares top legal AI tools to real-life attorneys on real-world tasks. They also break down new research from Wharton’s Ethan Mollick on “cybernetic teammates”—and what it means when AI tools boost not just productivity, but morale. With insights on team design, junior lawyer development, change management, and the emotional impact of AI at work, this episode challenges legal leaders to think beyond tools—and toward transformation.Episode Highlights:(02:16) Bridget’s AI Aha: Convincing a law professor of AI’s potential—live with DeepResearch(5:40) Claude meets city government: AI as a behind-the-scenes comms partner(11:39) What is a “cybernetic teammate”—and how can AI reshape teamwork?(24:57) The VAL benchmarking report: Legal AI tools vs. human lawyers(31:34) What AI means for the future of junior lawyers, specialties, and practice area silosKey Discussion Points:The DeepResearch Reveal: Why watching AI in action can convert even the most skeptical lawyers.The Cybernetic Teammate: Insights from Ethan Mollick's latest study on AI’s role in boosting performance, knowledge sharing, and emotional engagement.Lawyers vs. AI: What VAL’s benchmarking report reveals about AI performance on real legal tasks—and what it doesn’t.Beyond Specialization: How AI could break down practice-area silos and return power to the generalist.Rethinking Legal Teams: Why junior lawyers might soon work across disciplines—and with AI—as their first teammates.Emotions and Engagement: Surprising findings about AI’s impact on how legal professionals feel about their work.Training the Next Generation: How legal education and professional development must evolve for the AI era.Keywords: AI in law, cybernetic teammate, Ethan Mollick, VAL benchmarking, legal education, legal AI tools, legal tech, DeepResearch, team collaboration, Wharton, ChatGPT, Claude, GPT-4, legal transformation, generalist lawyering, emotional engagement, junior lawyers, change management, professional developmentAbout the Podcast:2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Live from Legal Week 2025: Unveiling a New AI Course for Lawyers (00:31:56)
In this special Legal Week edition of 2030 Vision, co-hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack reunite in person to unveil a groundbreaking new online course built to help legal professionals lead through AI-driven change. Designed for law firm leaders, individual lawyers, and legal organizations of all sizes, the course offers actionable frameworks for navigating disruption with confidence and clarity.Jen and Bridget share behind-the-scenes insights into how the course was created, what makes it different from others on the market, and why mindset—not tools—is the most powerful driver of innovation. From solo practitioners to law students, this course empowers learners to become proactive change agents in a rapidly evolving legal landscape. They also explore what it means to build a culture of curiosity, how to move beyond “innovation by press release,” and why learner-centric legal education is the key to staying competitive. With reflections on the future of law, leadership, and scalable education, this episode offers both practical takeaways and big-picture vision.Explore the new AI course for legal professionals: https://aaaicourse.org/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=2030vision&utm_campaign=ep20launchBuilt for law firm leaders, lawyers, and legal professionals ready to lead through AI-driven change.Key Discussion Points:The Future of Legal Education: Why traditional models no longer meet the moment—and how this new AI course helps close the gap.Tools vs. Thinking: The critical difference between using AI and adopting an AI-ready mindset.Leadership in Disruption: Why AI change management is more about people and mindset than the technology itself.Culture Shift in Law: How fostering curiosity, experimentation, and friendly competition can drive innovation across firms.Scaling Innovation: Lessons in learner-centric design and the power of democratizing legal knowledge at scale.Inside a Legal Transformation: What the American Arbitration Association’s journey teaches us about overcoming barriers to change.Top Skills for the AI Era: The five rising skills legal professionals need—and how firms can help develop them.Signals for Future Talent: Why certifications, AI badges, and firm-wide learning are becoming key to attracting the next generation of lawyers.Beyond the Course: How partnerships like PLI amplify reach—and what’s coming next for legal education and access to justice.Keywords:AI in law, legal education, change management, legal leadership, AI course for lawyers, innovation, legal tech, professional development, culture of curiosity, Legal Week, PLI, ChatGPT, Claude, online learning, AI, law, legal technology, online course, change management, future of law, AAAAbout the Podcast:2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Law Firms Want AI-Ready Lawyers: So Why Aren’t They Hiring Them? (00:39:15)
In this episode of 2030 Vision, Jennifer Leonard and Bridget McCormack dive into the evolving landscape of AI in the legal profession. They share personal experiences with AI tools, discuss the latest advancements in AI models, and explore the implications of artificial general intelligence (AGI). The conversation touches on the future of legal education, the skills that will define the next generation of lawyers, and why leadership and transparency will be critical in shaping the profession.Key Discussion Points:How AI is reshaping legal work and the skills needed for successThe real-world benefits of AI tools, as experienced by legal professionalsMajor advancements in AI, including the latest model releasesThe approach of legal education in adapting to AI-driven changesThe impact of AGI on law and society at largeThe role of leadership in promoting transparency and innovation in law firmsHow law firms and legal institutions can proactively embrace technologyThe necessity of strong interpersonal and ethical reasoning skills in future lawyersKeywords:AI, law, future of law, legal education, AGI, technology, legal profession, skills, leadership, transparencyAbout the Podcast:2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
AI in Legal Research: The Battle Over Copyright and Innovation (00:42:03)
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard break down two major AI stories shaking up the legal industry: Elon Musk’s unsolicited $97.4 billion bid to buy OpenAI and the landmark Thomson Reuters v. Ross AI case, which sets a critical precedent for AI training data and copyright law.They also explore OpenAI’s new Deep Research tool, which is revolutionizing how legal professionals conduct research. As AI-powered tools become increasingly sophisticated, law firms face urgent questions: How will AI impact legal research? Will legal paywalls survive? And is the legal industry moving too slowly to adapt?From the growing market for AI training data licensing to AI’s potential role in democratizing legal services, this episode examines how the future of law is being rewritten in real time.Key Discussion Points:AI Aha! Moment: Why even the free version of AI tools is disrupting legal research.Elon Musk vs. OpenAI: A $97B bid, a legal battle, and what’s really at stake.Thomson Reuters v. Ross AI: The case that could shape AI copyright law for decades.AI Training Data & Copyright: Can AI companies train on proprietary legal headnotes?Legal Paywalls & AI Research: Will legal information stay locked, or is a shift coming?Deep Research & the Future of Legal Tech: How OpenAI’s new tool is changing research and strategy.The Divide in Legal AI Adoption: Why some law firms are embracing AI while others hesitate.The Bigger Picture: What this means for legal education, innovation, and access to justice.Keywords:AI, Law, Legal Tech, Generative AI, AI Research, Legal Innovation, OpenAI, Elon Musk, Thomson Reuters v. Ross AI, Copyright Law, AI Training Data, Deep Research, Legal Access, Future of Work, AI in LawAbout the Podcast:2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Generative AI and the Courts: Expanding Legal Access or Opening the Floodgates? (00:43:35)
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore how AI is reshaping legal access, communication, and decision-making. They discuss OpenAI’s Deep Research tool and DeepSeq’s disruptive AI model, which could democratize AI and challenge big tech.Beyond law, they examine AI’s growing role in healthcare and education, while emphasizing that human expertise remains crucial in legal processes. They also tackle how AI-driven tools can lower legal costs, expand access to justice, and streamline dispute resolution, particularly for low-dollar claims that often go unresolved.While some fear AI will flood courts with frivolous lawsuits, Bridget and Jen argue its real potential lies in making legal services more accessible. With governments and startups investing in AI-powered legal solutions, the profession faces a turning point—one that demands innovation while ensuring fairness and efficiency.AI in Law: The Communication Challenge: How legal professionals can better explain AI’s impact and bridge knowledge gaps.The Human Element in Legal Processes: Why procedural fairness and human connection remain central to justice.Generative AI’s Role in Healthcare & Education: AI as a diagnostic assistant and self-directed learning tool.DeepSeq’s Disruption: A new AI player that could democratize development and challenge the US-China AI race.AI as a 24/7 Thought Partner: Using AI for legal strategy, research, and professional development.Expanding Access to Justice: AI-driven platforms are helping individuals file claims and resolve disputes more efficiently.Balancing Innovation & System Integrity: Addressing concerns about frivolous lawsuits while enhancing legitimate legal claims.AI & Government Solutions: How policymakers and public institutions can use AI to modernize legal infrastructure.Keywords: AI, Law, Generative AI, Legal Profession, Communication, Education, Healthcare, Deepseq, DeepSeek Technology, AI Infrastructure, OpenAI, Legal Access, Legal Tech, Court Services, Dispute Resolution, DemocratizationAbout the Podcast: 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to how artificial intelligence is transforming the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
AI and the Future of Legal Jobs: What Law Firms Must Do to Stay Competitive (00:40:23)
In this episode of 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law, Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard explore how artificial intelligence is reshaping the legal job market and what law firms must do to stay competitive. They dive into the World Economic Forum’s Jobs Report 2025 and the Thomson Reuters & Georgetown Report on the State of the Legal Market, breaking down the key findings and their implications for legal professionals.From the rise of AI-powered legal roles to the leadership challenges law firms face, the hosts discuss the critical skills lawyers will need, the importance of AI strategies at the C-suite level, and how firms can prepare for the coming transformation. With law firms experiencing record profits yet facing mounting pressure to innovate, this episode highlights why 2025 is a pivotal year for the profession.AI Aha! Moment: How AI is Transforming Legal Research: The hosts share their AI insights for the week, including how generative AI is being used for legal research, document analysis, and strategic decision-making.Defining Persona Prompting & AAA’s AI Innovation Initiative: The hosts explore the concept of persona prompting—how lawyers can use AI to simulate different perspectives, enhance client interactions, and refine legal strategies. They also introduce the American Arbitration Association’s new AI initiative, which focuses on helping legal organizations navigate generative AI, implement change management strategies, and upskill their teams for the future.AI and the Future of Legal Jobs: The World Economic Forum’s Jobs Report predicts major shifts in employment, with legal roles evolving due to AI automation and the demand for new skill sets.Law Firm Strategy in 2025: The Thomson Reuters & Georgetown Report highlights that while law firms had a strong financial year, only half have begun integrating AI strategy at the leadership level—creating a growing divide in the market.Upskilling and Adaptation: With nearly 40% of workers’ core skills expected to change by 2030, legal professionals must embrace analytical thinking, emotional intelligence, and AI literacy to remain competitive.The Innovator’s Dilemma in Law: Law firms face the challenge of balancing immediate financial success with long-term strategic innovation—risking stagnation if they fail to invest in AI-driven transformation.AI as a Competitive Advantage: Forward-thinking firms are leveraging AI to enhance client services, streamline legal research, and improve operational efficiency—while those lagging behind may struggle to attract top talent.Leadership in the AI Era: Effective law firm leaders will need curiosity, courage, and humility to guide their firms through the rapid changes ahead. Successful firms will foster collaboration across legal, tech, and business professionals to shape the future of legal services.Keywords: AI, Legal Jobs, Law Firm Strategy, AI Leadership, Future of Legal Work, AI Upskilling, AI in Law, Legal Market Trends, World Economic Forum Jobs Report, Thomson Reuters Legal Market Report, Legal Technology, Legal Innovation, AI and Law Firms, AI Adoption in Law, Future of Work in Law, AI TransformationAbout the Podcast: 2030 Vision: AI and the Future of Law is your essential guide to understanding how artificial intelligence is reshaping the legal profession. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, this podcast dives into cutting-edge AI technologies, their applications, and the trends shaping the future of law. Join us to stay informed, inspired, and prepared for the AI revolution.Produced by: Aaron Tran for the American Arbitration Association. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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