The Australian Society of Anaesthetists (ASA) was formed in 1934 as a not-for-profit member organisation dedicated to supporting and connecting anaesthetists in Australia.
Join Dr Suzi Nou as she talks about all things relevant to anaesthesia in Australia with experts, peers and members of the ASA. These conversations serve to inform, challenge and inspire you to be the best and safest throughout your career.
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Ep112: Success, Safety and Risk in Anaesthesia with Professor Tim Cook (00:26:38)
I catch up with Professor Tim Cook, of the UK National Audit Projects live at the Australian Society of Anaesthetists' National Scientific Congress (NSC). We discuss his incredible work, his ideas of success and what risk in anaesthesia mean to him.I also flag a special deal that we are hoping will be ready in time for the end of the year or early 2026.Professor Cook's talk from the NSC is available to be viewed on demand. If you haven't already registered, you can do so here: https://asansc.com.au/registration/3 other episodes to listen to:Ep54: webAIRS with Prof Martin Culwickhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5940c2ae-2f7a-4174-ad3a-869ac46ccc64/ASA-2054.mp3Ep79: webAIRS: jaw dislocationhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/cf949d95-0e23-4fc7-bded-e54dabe7c75d/EP79v2-jaw-dislocation-AAP.mp3Ep111: The GLP-1 Revolution: What it Means for Anaesthesia with Dr Doug Hackinghttps://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/51599ae1-81b6-4510-a1a2-af643b8a0d4b.mp3Want to access more resources? Become an ASA member: https://asa.org.au/types-of-membership/how-to-join/We welcome any feedback. podcast@asa.org.au
Ep111. The GLP-1 Revolution: What it Means for Anaesthesia with Dr Doug Hacking (00:35:31)
In this episode:The last of my thought bubble talks on how to introduce yourself with confidence and claritySome tips on balancing an academic research career and clinical medicineChanging from one medical specialty (e.g. paediatrics) to another (e.g anaesthesia)I'm chatting with Dr Doug Hacking, paediatrician, anaesthetist, researcher. We are discussing GLP-1 receptor agonists and what they mean for anaesthesia. This is based on his editorial in the September 2025 edition of the scientific journal, Anaesthesia and Intensive Care.ASA Members! Are you interested in learning more about gastric POCUS? At the end of the podcast I share with you an exclusive offer that will save you hundreds of dollars.Link to Prof Dariush Mozaffarian podcast on the health harms of unprocessed foods and ralated policies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaiGzkKIgbcThe exclusive ASA gastric POCUS offer: https://www.asahq.org/education-and-career/educational-and-cme-offerings/gastric-pocus Become an ASA member to access these resources and more: https://asa.org.au/types-of-membership/how-to-join/We welcome any feedback: podcast@asa.org.au
Ep110. Tips for Aspiring Anaesthetists: A Conversation with Prof Ed Mariano (00:18:25)
In this episode I hand the mic over to Dr Tom Neal-Williams, an anaesthetic trainee and hard working member of the ASA Communications Committee to be a guest host on the podcast. He is talking with Professor Ed Mariano, regional anaesthesia guru, researcher, leader and educator and gaining tips on how he navigates his career. I also share some thoughts on vocal fry. This episode was recorded live at the ASA's National Scientific Congress in Canberra. If you want to watch Professor Mariano's talks from the Congress (and I suggest you do), you can register for access here: https://asansc.com.au/registration/Join the ASA to have access to more great educational content: https://asa.org.au/types-of-membership/how-to-join/We welcome any feedback. Email us ! podcast@asa.org.au
Ep109. The Secret Thoughts of Presidents: Dr Bob Hare (00:50:22)
An oldie but a goodie - literally!I'm chatting with Dr Bob Hare, President of the Australian Society of Anaesthetists (ASA) from 1980-82. and the earliest surviving President of the ASA. We also recorded this conversation a few years ago, prior to the ASA turning 90. We compare various anaesthetic techniques and innovations, from ether masks to glass cannulas that have occurred across the generations. Dr. Hare shares invaluable insights about the fight to elevate the status of anaesthetists in Australia, the importance of the preoperative consultation, and advances in postoperative pain management., We also dive into the changes in our role as anaesthetists as well as some of the important work he and the ASA has done to raise the status of anaesthetists here in Australia. I also share some thoughts on how to introduce yourself, or more particularly, how to say your name (you'd be surprised how often I hear people don't do it well). Some other episodes of interest: Ep90. Our special 90th birthday episode. https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/7eec4b11-e5d5-484b-b396-ab2e701e8318/EP90-Happy-90th-birthday-AAP-V2-converted.mp3Ep85 and Ep86. Conversations with ASA Past President Dr Don Maxwellhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b94ca3a2-cbc9-407c-a29b-a579ac16c34d/EP85-Dr-Don-Maxwell-Part-1-AAP-converted.mp3https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/5325f0ca-7402-4092-bc0b-0ae8c08c27a7/EP86-Dr-Don-Maxwell-Part-2-AAP-V1-converted.mp3Join the ASA in advancing anaesthesia excellence https://asa.org.au/As always, I welcome feedback and ideas: podcast@asa.org.au
Ep108. Doctors Orders! Why you need a GP with A/Prof Magdalena Simonis AM (00:43:15)
I had a conversation with A/Prof Magdalena Simonis about her approach, as a General Practitioner, to preventative healthcare and it blew my mind. It's changed my attitude, and I hope, by sharing this conversation that you too are motivated to see your GP and engage in preventative health. Dr Magdalena Simonis is a leading women’s health expert and advisor and a Senior Honorary Research Fellow at the University of Melbourne Department of General Practice, where she develops education resources for GPs. She is a long-standing member of the Expert Committee for Quality Care for the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners (RACGP) and the Breast Cancer Network Australia Strategy and Policy Expert Advisory Group. She sits on the Women’s Health Victoria Board and is a Board Director at The Melbourne Teaching Health Clinics (MTHC) at the University of Melbourne . She is on several National Expert Advisory Groups, a Board member, GP, medical educator and examiner.As promised, here is the link to order a poo test: https://www.cancer.org.au/bowelscreeningLet me know what you thought about my discussion of Chris Voss' "Late night FM DJ voice". Does it convey a sense of calm authority?podcast@asa.org.au
Ep107. Seven Years Later: A Timorese Story with Dr Alison Jarman (00:31:01)
In this episode I chat with Dr Alison Jarman, a Melbourne based anaesthetist who has temporarily located to Dili, Timor-Leste on an ASA Pacific Fellowship. We chat about life and anaesthesia in Timor-Leste and patiently navigating challenges and opportunities. Dr Jarman has been able to undertake this Fellowship with thanks to Sabbatical Leave from Austin Health (with acknowledgement to the Australian Medical Association for these and other leave entitlements) and the Australian Society of Anaesthetists Overseas Development and Education Committee (ODEC).To find out more about ODEC, please visit: https://asa.org.au/overseas-development-and-education-committeeLooking for similar episodes? Then I suggest:Ep105 on another project, led by Dr Pip Lane, that was accomplished with Sabbatical Leave: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/2b616ec8-ac3c-4368-9c9b-77b2112500fd/EP105-Dr-Pip-Lane-AAP.mp3Ep75 where I chat with Dr Moira Rush about her Pacific Fellowship in Fiji: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/e08f0b57-d9d5-486d-9087-760bee48e618.mp3In Ep99 I chat with A/Prof Rob McDougall about how Lifebox ANZ is improving operating theatre safety in the region. https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/1a56c07f-98e1-4d8c-9f16-4f401b66f500.mp3
Ep106. Anaesthesia Unlocked: Fast-tracking IMGs in Australia with Prof David Story (00:37:00)
Everyone, and I mean everyone - Government, the ASA, AMA, ANZCA and other Colleges - is talking about anaesthesia workforce in Australia. We have a shortage. We have a maldistribution, with not enough anesthetists in regional Australia.What is the solution? Nurse anaesthetists? Career medical officers? Importing anaesthetists from overseas - otherwise known as International Medical Graduates or IMGs? In this episode I chat with current ANZCA President (and conflict of interest - my boss at the University of Melbourne) about the process that has recently commenced by the Medical Board of Australia to expedite the recognition of overseas anaesthetists here in Australia. Find out more about the process here: https://www.anzca.edu.au/getContentAsset/0d0a59e7-0a91-4dfc-bb02-561fae80d398/80feb437-d24d-46b8-a858-4a2a28b9b970/Expedited-SIMG-pathway-ANZCA-information-update-Mar-2025-Final.pdf?language=enLearn about the Australian Society of Anaesthetists (ASA) recommendations to meet the workforce challenge: https://asa.org.au/publications/anaesthetist-workforce-modellingCPD Home is free to ASA members! Make it easy to stay compliant and fulfill your Continuing Professional Development requirements: https://www.cpdhome.org.au/
Ep105. The difficult intravenous (IV) FAAIRI service with Dr Pip Lane (00:37:36)
Come and listen to Dr Pip Lane, amazing leader, as she describes how she built this amazing service which enables timely intravenous access and reduces needle related trauma in women and children.I'm not alone in finding this service impressive. It has won many awards in South Australia and nationally.Two of the big contributors to Dr Lane's success was having Clinical Support/Non-Clinical Time (CST/NCT). Paid Non-Clinical time is a direct result of advocacy undertaken by the Australian Medical Association (AMA)/Australian Salaried Medical Officer's Federation (ASMOF). Show your gratitude for receiving this and other workplace protections by joining the AMA: https://www.ama.com.au/join-the-amaThe Persuasion and Influence Masterclass is on offer at the 2025 ASA National Scientific Congress. Secure your place (and meet me there!) by registering here:https://asansc.com.au/Share and develop your leadership skills by joining WELI. Men and women are welcome. Find out more in Ep83 https://player.captivate.fm/episode/1c43eb90-20ac-4cac-b915-ee46a326f798/ and by visiting https://ausnzweli.org/
Ep104. Dinner at Parliament House and more highlights to look forward to at NSC25 with Dr Girish Palnitkar (00:15:32)
Come Together for the Australian Society of Anaesthetists' National Scientific Congress (NSC) in Canberra.To be held from Thursday 2nd October - Sunday 5th October. It is during the school holidays for some states, so get those leave requests in, if you haven't already.Join NSC Convenor Dr Girish Palnitkar as we dive into what makes Canberra so special and what we can look forward to during the NSC.See you at the Gala Dinner at Parliament House - I can't wait!Register here: https://asansc.com.au/
Ep103. Advanced Recovery Room Care with Professor Guy Ludbrook (00:34:53)
Advanced Recovery Room Care (ARRC) is a concept that has changed the way I think about our model of care when it comes to or surgical patients. Come and meet the man behind the concept, Professor Guy Ludbrook. We discuss his ideas on innovation and dive into ARRC.Email podcast@asa.org.au for more information or an introduction
Ep102. From cardiac anaesthetist to creative artist with Dr Shari Hall (00:40:15)
Have you ever wondered whether you have made the right career choice?What if your passion was for a totally different career?And after graduating from 2 Ivy League universities and achieving success in a highly competitive sub specialty field, could you give it up to follow your passion?I explore all this and more with Dr Shari Hall who left anaesthesia to fulfill her dreams."Could a greater miracle take place than for us to look through each other's eyes for an instant?" Henry David ThoreauThat's the opening quote from this video made by the Cleveland Clinic. I encourage you to watch it. https://youtu.be/cDDWvj_q-o8?si=OIns_-f4LtyVqWXD
Ep101. ADVANCE your CPD with Dr Sarah Lee (00:25:17)
Dr Sarah Lee, an anaesthetist in Melbourne and tour de force in bringing accessible, interesting and practical CPD meetings to you. And they qualify for those hard to get Practice Audit CPD points!(To be eligible for those points, you'll need to do the pre-meeting survey and participate in the meeting).The next ADVANCE meeting is on Monday 26th May 2025 and is on thoracic anaesthesia.Contact us on podcast@asa.org.au for the registration link.Missed out on the meeting and still want a refresher on thoracic anaesthesia? Refresh the basics and learn some tips in our Anaesthesia Recipe Book - its only for our members and can be found on the ASA website: https://asa.org.au/asaeducation/anaesthesia-recipe-book
Ep100. 100 Episodes Strong - Reflecting on Anaesthesia in Australian with Dr Suzi Nou (00:29:59)
Pop the champagne and come and celebrate 100 episodes of the Australian Anaesthesia podcast with me!Thank you to all the wonderful guests over the years, the Australian Society of Anaesthetists and most of all, YOU, for listening and supporting me and this podcast. Here are the links to some of the episodes I mention:Ep10: Fit Testing with Occupational Hygienist Kate Colehttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/c450e8f2-bc5c-46bf-9e2a-bd1ff60cc0aa/2020-0508-cole-respiratory-protection-final-tc.mp3 Ep44. Inside a COVID ECMO with Dr Ryan Salterhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/57ca5cdd-68e7-4175-acf9-0c2f0efdb2a6/asa-44v2.mp3Ep59. Are you burnt out? with Dr Amy Immshttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/49902b7e-f0bc-429b-9999-cdf2c264ede3/EP59-20Are-20you-20burnt-20out-20AAP-converted.mp3Ep64. I didn't pass my exam with Prof David Storyhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b3ec0d08-4d34-4f45-b417-ac217979226b/EP62-20I-20didn-27t-20pass-20my-20exam-20AAP-converted.mp3Ep33. Substance use disorder: A personal perspective with Dr Colin Bairdhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/a77b030a-5fbd-4b91-b5ef-4802588ac039/default-tc.mp3The Wellbeing Playlist: https://acecc.org.au/special-interest-groups/wellbeing/The Leadership & Management Playlist: https://acecc.org.au/special-interest-groups/leadership-management/Ep41. The Secret Thoughts of Presidents: Dr Jannicke Mellin-Olsen from the WFSAhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/0a3e5307-8400-4925-a608-e649cfc13870/asa-41.mp3Ep80. Theatre lights on... Antarctica! with Dr David Tianhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/6583bcfc-86b6-43d2-a169-1d0bb09042f3/EP80-Dr-David-Tian-AAP-2-converted.mp3Ep25. The Anaesthetic Crisis Manual with Dr David Borshoffhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/9a23e649-031e-4a2f-a3ae-4c29a894a298/default-tc.mp3Ep78. AMAX4 - a cognitive aid for anaphylaxis with Dr Ben McKenziehttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/693c6f91-dba4-4aeb-aa2c-135dcd76add4/EP77-AMAX4-AAP-converted.mp3Ep50. How to become a specialist anaesthetist with guest host Chauhttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/72f6f5b0-3923-423e-a0c1-4eb17cbe6fa6/asa-49-v2-with-nr.mp3Ep70. From overseas to Austalian Specialist Anaesthetist with Dr Amrithahttps://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/f4f513f9-39af-4d88-968f-0f40dd9cdb54/EP70-v2.mp3You know where to find the rest!If not, please reach out to me on podcast@asa.org.au
Ep99. The Pulse of Lifebox: A Podcasthon Exclusive with Assoc Prof Rob McDougall (00:20:09)
You may have heard of the Lifebox oximeter but did you know that Lifebox has also developed a capnograph? Every day in our region, anaesthetics are being given without an oximeter or capnograph. And as you can imagine, the outcomes are not always great. Lifebox seeks to address this and may be the only not for profit dedicated to improving surgical and anaesthesia safety throughout the world. Join me as I chat with Assoc Prof Rob McDougall, Member of the Lifebox Global Governance Council about the work of Lifebox. And of course we would love for you to be involved!Thank you to Podcasthon for encouraging and supporting podcasters to raise awareness about their favourite charity.To support our work and donate to Lifebox Australia New Zealand: https://members.anzca.edu.au/anzca/ANZCA/Donation/ANZCA/Donations_Standard/Donations/Donation_Options.aspxAll donations are tax deductible (for Australian tax residents)
TM17. Claiming for Anaesthesia Time Units (00:05:04)
Are you claiming for anaesthesia time units in a way that is compliant with Medicare and health fund rules?In this episode I revisit two earlier podcasts. From Ep52 of the Australian Anaesthesia podcast with Dr Mark Sinclair, I refresh our memories of the 2022 changes to the Medicare Benefits Schedule around anaesthesia time units. From Ep11 of our Talking Money series with Dr Andrew Mulcahy I include our discussion of pre-anaesthesia consultations.I go through various clinical scenarios and how they are regarded by our Economics Advisory Committee. The full version of this podcast is available exclusively for ASA members on the ASA website: https://asa.org.au/asa-public-podcasts/talking-money
Ep98. Coaching for Doctors with Dr Anne Frankl (00:37:42)
In this episode I chat with Dr Anne Frankl, Melbourne paediatric anaesthetist and coach for doctors.We discuss what is coaching, how and why to become a coach as well as how it refreshed her career after burnout. To find out more about Anne: https://www.drannefrankl.com/Meet other Innovators here: https://asa.org.au/innovations-and-inventionsAnne's workshops are coming to the ASA! Keep a lookout in your emails for dates. Register here: https://asa.org.au/asaeducation/eventsFind out more about WELI, the Women's Empowerment and Leadership Initiative, here: https://ausnzweli.org/or by listening to Ep83: https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ee9632df-8266-49ed-ac54-d1474a1382b7/EP83-Women-s-Empowerment-AAP-converted.mp3
Ep97. Anaemate with Dr Stan Tay (00:42:39)
In this episode I am chatting with ASA member Dr Stan Tay, who may sound familiar to some of you. He is a podcaster and content producer at the Anaesthesia Coffee Break podcast and Adrenaline Memories.He is also a co-developer of an automated billing service called Anaemate. We chat about how anaesthesia billing and the flow of money, how Anaemate works and what it was like as an anaesthetist going from idea to app developer.This podcast is not an endorsement of Anaemate. Please do your research and use a billing service, app, company (or not) according to your needs. To learn more about Anaemate: www.anaemate.com.auASA Members can access the Talking Money podcast series here: https://asa.org.au/asa-public-podcasts/talking-moneyLearn more about the Innovations and Inventions made by ASA members and other like-minded people: https://asa.org.au/innovations-and-inventionsHave you got an innovation you'd like to discuss on the podcast? Let us know - podcast@asa.org.au
TM16. Anaesthesia Billing Using Anaemate with Dr Stan Tay (00:42:39)
In this episode I am chatting with ASA member Dr Stan Tay, who may sound familiar to some of you. He is a podcaster and content producer at the Anaesthesia Coffee Break podcast and Adrenaline Memories.He is also a co-developer of an automated billing service called Anaemate. We chat about how anaesthesia billing and the flow of money, how Anaemate works and what it was like as an anaesthetist going from idea to app developer.This podcast is not an endorsement of Anaemate. Please do your research and use a billing service, app, company (or not) according to your needs. To learn more about Anaemate: www.anaemate.com.auASA Members can access the Talking Money podcast series here: https://asa.org.au/asa-public-podcasts/talking-moneyLearn more about the Innovations and Inventions made by ASA members and other like-minded people: https://asa.org.au/innovations-and-inventionsHave you got an innovation you'd like to discuss on the podcast? Let us know - podcast@asa.org.au
Ep96. Introducing Prof Philip Peyton, new editor in chief at Anaesthesia and Intensive Care (00:26:07)
Some big news! We have a new editor in chief at Anaesthesia and Intensive Care (AIC), the journal produced by the Australian Society of Anaesthetists.Join me as we get to know Professor Philip Peyton and learn about some of the behind-the-scenes working of a journal. Feel inspired? In Ep.48, I chat with Dr Michael Cooper, AIC Editorial Board member about prizes that are awarded by the journal. https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/b698c693-e0c0-42cd-93c4-7a37fc57e89b/asa-48-edit.mp3Learn more about AIC here: https://journals.sagepub.com/home/aic
Ep95. Long-acting injectable buprenorphine with Dr Vin Gamage (00:37:58)
In this episode, I chat with Dr Vin Gamage, a General Practitioner (GP) training to be a GP Anaesthetist. He is also an authorised prescriber of methadone.We discuss long-acting injectable buprenorphine: its history, development and the formulations currently available in Australia. Crucially, we discuss how to manage acute pain in someone who might be on one of these medications. There is a bit of pharmacology in this episode. So we have made a video which summarises some of the specifics. It can be found in the 'Anaesthesia Recipe Book' on the ASA website: https://asa.org.au/asaeducation/anaesthesia-recipe-book.You'll need to be an ASA member to access the video.The Australian Injecting and Illicit Drug Users League can be found here: https://aivl.org.au/
Ep94. Prof Colin Royse, recipient of the Pugh Award (00:36:44)
William Russ Pugh gave the first anaesthetic in Australia. In his honour, The Australian Society of Anaesthetists' Pugh Award is given to an individual who has made an outstanding contribution to the advancement of anaesthesia, intensive care or related discipline.Who better to receive this award than Prof Colin Royse, clinician, researcher, educator extraordinaire! Prof Royse shares with me the challenges and insights from his distinguished research career including his interesting thoughts on what it takes to be a pioneer. Can the ASA support you in your research career? Learn more about our many awards, grants and prizes here: https://asa.org.au/asaeducation/asa-awards-prizes-and-research-grantsAre you an innovator or inventor? Learn what some of your peers have been creating: https://asa.org.au/innovations-and-inventionsShare your ideas with us! podcast@asa.org.au
Ep93. Regional anaesthesia with Prof Ki-Jinn Chin (00:17:50)
I am delighted to bring you this conversation with Prof Ki-Jinn Chin, a guru of regional anaesthesia in Toronto, Canada.This is the last of our podcasts from the Darwin National Scientific Congress. Until 6th January 2025 you can listen to Prof Chin's talks and many more On-Demand. They are available for registrants here: https://asansc.com.au/ondemand/Check out more videos on regional anaesthesia made by Prof Chin on his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@KiJinnChinQueries or feedback? Contact us here: podcast@asa.org.au
Ep92. Peri-op Medicine & Leadership with Prof Moonesinghe (00:11:24)
Coming to you live from the Darwin National Scientific Congress! You can hear the excitement in our voices as well as the chatter of many happy Congress delegates in the background. I hope that's ok!I was excited to be sitting down with Prof Moonesinghe from University College London. A guru in Peri-op Med! I couldn't resist chatting with her about leadership. Her presentation at the Congress is definitely worth a listen. It is available On-Demand for registrants here: https://asansc.com.au/ondemand/I also encourage you to find out more about the Women's Empowerment and Leadership Initiative. Here's Ep83 where you can meet the founders of WELI in the USA:https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media/ee9632df-8266-49ed-ac54-d1474a1382b7/EP83-Women-s-Empowerment-AAP-converted.mp3If you're interested in signing up to our Australian and New Zealand chapter, we are currently enrolling! You can express interest here: https://ausnzweli.org/contact/
Ep91. Catching up with Dr Glauckomflecken at the Darwin NSC (00:24:03)
I'm back!I couldn't think of a better reason to dust off the podcast gear than to welcome my incredible guest this week!Many of you will know Dr Will Flannery as "Dr Glauckomfleckem", ophthalmologist, comedian, cancer survivor (x2!) and survivor of out of hospital cardiac arrest. As I mention, his keynote at the Australian Society of Anaesthetists National Scientific Congress was moving. Beyond words. Here are three ways you can engage further:1. Register to listen to the full talk available on demand - Don’t miss out on any insights! Sign up now and enjoy the entire conversation at your conveniencehttps://asansc.com.au/ondemand/2. Watch this podcast episode on YouTube - Prefer video? Catch all the action and visuals by watching the episode on our YouTube channel!https://www.youtube.com/@AustraliaAnaes3. Check out the December edition of our Australian Anaesthesia magazine - It features a comprehensive wrap-up of all the action from the congress, including highlights from our discussion!https://asa.org.au/publications/australian-anaesthetist
TM15 New changes to the Medicare Benefits Schedule for anaesthetists (00:14:29)
Talking Money. Our series where we do more than talk money. on the 1st March 2024, new items were introduced into the MBS for anaesthetists. I discuss these with our MBS expert, Dr Michael Lumsden-Steel.This is a snippet of the full podcast.ASA Members can find the full episode here: https://asa.org.au/podcasts/talking-moneyNot a member? Find out more about membership here:https://asa.org.au/types-of-membership
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