Everyone wants to see children and young adults succeed in math, but it can be difficult to sort myths from facts in education. Join math professor, Anna Stokke, for conversations with leading educators and researchers about the importance of math, effective teaching methods, and debunking common myths about math and teaching. Chalk & Talk is a podcast for anyone interested in education, including educators, parents, and students.
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Why students struggle in math and how to fix it with Barbara Oakley and John Mighton (Ep 61) (01:08:10)
In this episode, Anna is joined by two familiar guests, mathematician and founder of JUMP Math, Dr. John Mighton, and learning expert and bestselling author Dr. Barbara Oakley. They discuss their new Coursera course, Making Math Click: Understanding Math Without Fear, what learning science reveals about how students learn math, and why practice and worked examples play such a critical role in building math confidence.
They discuss schemas, give some cautionary advice about using manipulatives and concrete-pictorial-abstract approaches, and explain why moving quickly from concrete to abstract matters. They describe what’s at stake when math education fails, what’s lost when students don’t develop foundational skills, and what it will take to help more learners succeed in math.
This is a practical, engaging, and insightful episode for teachers, parents, university students, and anyone who has ever felt they weren’t a math person.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Making Math Click: Understand Math Without Fear: Free course with certificate: https://www.coursera.org/learn/math-click?action=showPartnerSupportedAccess
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction
[00:05:40] How Barbara’s background shaped her approach to math
[00:07:00] John’s experience with math from a young age
[00:09:21] John and Barbara’s Coursera course
[00:11:07] Who is their course for?
[00:15:45] Is the course beneficial for teachers?
[00:21:54] What math and Sylvia Plath’s writing have in common
[00:23:51] Building schemas in math
[00:26:46] Getting good at math leads to liking math
[00:31:08] Kaminsky’s research on manipulatives vs. abstract representations
[00:33:39] Fading from concrete to abstract
[00:40:30] Barbara’s article in the Seattle Times
[00:42:30] Real world consequences of innumeracy
[00:49:13] Learning math takes practice and patience
[00:51:38] Societal loss from kids not learning math
[00:57:13] Failed constructivist approaches
[01:00:50] Barbara’s and John’s recommendations for system improvements
[01:05:42] Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
How to excel in math and other tough subject with Barabara Oakley
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-7-best-ways-to-learn-math-with-barbara-oakley/
Math and the Myth of Ability with John Mighton
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-1-math-and-the-myth-of-ability-with-john-mighton/
Balanced literacy didn’t work–will balanced math? with Ben Solomon
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-usvqw-1962107
Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-61-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-61-transcript
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Rebuilding teacher training through cognitive science with Jonas Linderoth (Ep 60) (00:52:17)
In this episode, Anna talks with Dr. Jonas Linderoth, a professor of education at the University of Gothenburg, about how influential educational ideas have shaped the teaching profession and why evidence from cognitive science and educational psychology still faces resistance in teacher education. They discuss how education reforms of the 1990s affected teacher status and student outcomes, and Jonas’ reflections on his own role during that period.
They also discuss why evidence-based pedagogy is so crucial and what it means when teachers encounter research-informed strategies and respond with a single word – “finally”. They also explore Sweden’s recent proposal to embed cognitive science in teacher preparation, why it’s controversial, and how implementation is unfolding.
This is an insightful episode for anyone interested in how research, policy, and classroom practice come together.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction
[00:04:50] The Swedish school reforms
[00:08:57] The prevalence of constructivist teaching
[00:12:26] Realizing the evidence didn’t match the rhetoric
[00:13:36] How Jonas’s call for reflection became the most read article in Sweden
[00:17:13] Perceptions of the teaching profession in Sweden
[00:20:01] A systematic approach to teaching art
[00:22:40] PISA & TIMS scores in Sweden
[00:24:34] Why education academics research the Science of Learning
[00:26:35] The value of quantitative research
[00:29:23] Sweden’s move to embed cognitive science in teacher preparation
[00:32:37] Reaction to the government proposal to transform teacher preparation
[00:34:34] How evidence-based practice caught the government’s attention
[00:36:52] Jonas’s work with pre-service teachers
[00:37:28] When teachers say “finally” about evidence-based techniques
[00:42:37] Core content for preparing future teachers
[00:44:41] Grass-roots science of learning movements
[00:46:02] The future of education in Sweden
[00:49:24] Final thoughts: Jonas’s advice for international audiences
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/the-power-of-explicit-instruction-with-anita-archer-ep-57/
Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-10-maximizing-learning-through-explicit-instruction-with-zach-groshell/
Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df
Cognitive Load Theory with Greg Ashman
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-4-cognitive-load-theory-with-greg-ashman/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-60-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-60-transcript
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Why reading became a human rights issue in Canada with George Georgiou (Ep 59) (01:12:50)
In this episode, Anna talks with Dr. George Georgiou, an educational psychologist and professor in the Faculty of Education at the University of Alberta, whose work focuses on preventing and remediating reading difficulties. The episode explores recent Human Rights Commission investigations in Canadian provinces that examined why students haven’t been taught to read using effective, evidence-based, methods–what the inquiries uncovered, and how the situation deteriorated to this point.
They also discuss George’s research on reading difficulties and his eye-opening study that revealed the gaps in pre-service teachers’ knowledge of language and literacy. They talk about recent reforms in Alberta, including the rollout of universal literacy screening–what the results have shown so far, and how parents and schools are responding. This conversation really highlights what’s possible when research, policy, and practice come together. As always, Anna advocates that math deserves the same attention as reading. It’s a must-listen for educators and policymakers worldwide.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Supporting the Right to Read in Manitoba (Manitoba Human Rights Commission, 2025)
https://www.manitobahumanrights.ca/education/pdf/public-consultations/supportingrighttoread.pdf
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction
[00:01:09] Findings from the Manitoba Human Rights Commission
[00:06:02] George Georgiou’s research background
[00:08:02] The Right to Read Human Rights Reports in Canada
[00:12:11] Thoughts on the Right to Read reports
[00:16:26] Similarities with math
[00:17:07] Good curriculum that focuses on foundational skills
[00:19:31] The study: Pre-service Teachers' Knowledge of Language and Literacy Concepts
[00:27:39] Results of the Human Rights Report in post-secondary education
[00:29:46] Reaction to the study: Pre-service Teachers' Knowledge of Language and Literacy Concepts
[00:30:39] The Alberta English Language Arts curriculum
[00:32:56] Is the new curriculum working?
[00:37:31] What is universal screening?
[00:44:50] What are the free assessments?
[00:48:46] Findings of the assessments
[00:53:38] Communicating the results to parents
[00:54:34] Criticism on the screening process and results
[01:00:40] Reading intervention programs
[01:05:33] Final Thoughts: The future of early screening and intervention in Canada
[01:09:02] Final Thoughts: What role should universities play in preparing teachers?
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
How advocacy is changing reading instruction with Jamie Metsala
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/how-advocacy-is-changing-reading-instruction-with-jamie-metsala/
Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/using-evidence-in-education-with-pamela-snow-ep-27/
Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-20-reading-and-math-parallels-and-pitfalls-with-matthew-burns/
Universal screening in math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/universal-screening-in-math-with-amanda-vanderheyden-ep-50/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-59-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-59-transcript
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When a mathematician became education minister: Nuno Crato on transforming education (Ep 58) (01:06:39)
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes Dr. Nuno Crato, research professor of mathematics and statistics at the University of Lisbon. He was Portugal’s former Minister of Education and led major education reforms from 2011 to 2015. His education reforms contributed to Portugal’s strongest-ever results on international assessments like PISA and TIMSS. Nuno shares his belief that everything starts with the curriculum and stresses the importance of clear standards, accountability, and student support. He also explains how Portugal raised academic rigor while helping struggling learners. They also discuss what Nuno’s research on PISA and TIMSS reveal about the characteristics of effective education systems and the lessons policymakers can draw from Portugal’s success. This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, and anyone with an interest in improving education.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Nuno Crato’s website: https://www.nunocrato.org
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction
[00:05:12] Becoming Portugal’s Minister of Education
[00:08:51] Adjusting to the position of Minister of Education
[00:13:07] The landscape of the Portuguese Education System, early 2000s
[00:19:08] The importance of a good curriculum
[00:23:07] Using TIMSS data to structure a knowledge-based curriculum
[00:26:22] Using testing to ensure curriculum goals are met
[00:29:11] Concerns about project-based learning
[00:34:18] Standard assessments and evaluations
[00:39:31] Accountability markers and incentives for standard assessments
[00:43:08] Addressing testing and accountability criticisms
[00:44:59] Becoming informed about evidence-based pedagogy
[00:48:23] What PISA data reveals about effective types of instruction
[00:51:04] Does more money spent on education translate to better outcomes?
[00:52:15] What changes are more likely to lead to better outcomes?
[00:54:58] Results of PISA and TIMSS in 2015 Portugal
[00:59:53] Pushback to education reforms and where it came from
[01:04:54] Advice to policymakers
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zps9p-18c1e97
The importance of practice and the power of Math Corps with Alex Kontorovich
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-d8bef-1916f6d
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-58-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-58-transcript
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Top takeaways from Anita Archer on explicit instruction (abridged version of Ep 57) (00:32:21)
This episode features top takeaways from Anna Stokke’s interview: The Power of Explicit Instruction with Dr. Anita Archer. If you haven’t heard the full conversation yet, you can find the entire episode on the Chalk & Talk YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/EE5wvi-xQTM?si=Wx8W4eb5YOqdWEvM
Anita is one of the world’s leading experts on explicit instruction and co-author of the bestselling book Explicit Instruction: Effective and Efficient Teaching.
Resource page: https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-57-resources
The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer (Ep 57) (01:17:56)
Episode 57: The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes Dr. Anita Archer, one of the world’s leading experts on explicit instruction and co-author of the bestselling book Explicit Instruction: Effective and Efficient Teaching. They discuss what explicit instruction is, why it’s both effective and efficient, and what the research says about its impact. Together, they discuss who benefits from explicit instruction, common mistakes teachers make, and practical strategies such as the “I do, we do, you do” model. Dr. Archer also shares insights from her 50-year career in education and offers advice for teachers looking to strengthen their instructional practices and help all students succeed.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction
[00:05:26] Anita’s background in explicit instruction
[00:07:30] The three big C’s (clear, concise, and consistent)
[00:10:25] What is explicit Instruction?
[00:13:30] Problems with multiple strategies
[00:15:50] Explicit instruction is effective and efficient
[00:20:58] Research on explicit instruction
[00:27:11] Who does explicit instruction benefit?
[00:30:56] When to begin using explicit instruction
[00:38:24] Lack of awareness about effectiveness of explicit instruction
[00:42:32] Teaching well from the start reduces tier 2 intervention
[00:45:55] identifying the different stages/phases: I do, we do, you do
[00:44:48] Phase 1: I do
[00:47:43] Phase 2: We do
[00:49:47] Phase 3: You do
[00:53:29] Importance of giving students opportunities to respond
[00:58:57] What are unison choral responses?
[01:03:17] The importance of structured turn and talks
[01:08:31] Resource recommendations and Archerisms
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-3-the-science-of-math-with-amanda-vanderheyden/
Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-10-maximizing-learning-through-explicit-instruction-with-zach-groshell/
Balanced literacy didn’t work—will balanced math? with Ben Solomon
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/balanced-literacy-didn-t-work%e2%80%94will-balanced-math-with-ben-solomon-ep-54/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-57-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-57-transcript
MUSIC
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Unmasking instructional illusions with Paul Kirschner, Carl Hendrick and Jim Heal (Ep 56) (01:13:50)
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes three leading experts in education, Dr. Paul Kirschner, Dr. Carl Hendrick, and Dr. Jim Heal for a fascinating discussion about their new book, Instructional Illusions. Drawing on decades of experience and research, they explore key ideas from the book, including how to bridge the gap between educational research and classroom practice. Together, they discuss the science of learning, evidence-informed teaching, and how educators can apply research insights to improve instruction. This engaging conversation is a must-listen for anyone passionate about effective teaching and student learning.
Register for the Masterclass: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching, La Trobe School of Education
Read the book, Instructional Illusions, here: https://tinyurl.com/instructional-illusions
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introductions
[00:05:15] What are Instructional Illusions?
[00:07:30] The difference between illusions and myths
[00:11:13] The discovery illusion
[00:12:50] Why do people believe in discovery learning?
[00:19:50] The curse of knowledge
[00:24:29] The innovation illusion
[00:30:01] Unmasking the innovation illusion
[00:32:59] The expertise Illusion
[00:38:04] The Dunning-Kruger effect
[00:43:48] Unmasking the expertise illusion
[00:47:50] The uniqueness illusion
[00:50:52] The engagement illusion
[00:57:10] Shifting the focus to cognitive engagement
[01:01:28] The student-centred illusion
[01:05:00] Unmasking the student-centred illusion
[01:06:23] Is the science of learning a fad?
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Evidence Based Teaching Strategies with Paul Kirschner
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep2-evidence-based-teaching-strategies-with-paul-kirschner/
Mindsets and Misconceptions with Carl Hendrick
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-22-mindsets-and-misconceptions-with-carl-hendrick/
EPISODE RESOURCES
Why Minimal Guidance During Instruction Does Not Work: An Analysis of the Failure of Constructivist, Discovery, Problem-Based, Experiential, and Inquiry-Based Teaching: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15326985ep4102_1
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-56-transcript
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Mailbag: How to get started with evidence-based math instruction & tackle gaps with Jonathan Regino (Ep 55) (01:02:06)
In this episode, Anna Stokke hosts an informative mailbag edition with guest Jonathan Regino, supervisor of math (pre-K-12) at Interboro School District in Pennsylvania and an experienced classroom teacher.
Drawing on their combined experience and expertise, they tackle listener questions, ranging from how to address large knowledge gaps among students to program recommendations. They also offer guidance on becoming informed about evidence-based practices, effective ways to assess students, and more. This engaging conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking to strengthen math instruction and improve student learning.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Register for the Masterclass: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching, La Trobe School of Education
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction
[00:04:52] Question 1: How can new teachers learn about evidence-based practices?
[00:09:52] Book recommendations
[00:16:08] researchED
[00:18:12] Question 2: Grading math assessments with points versus using standards-based grading
[00:23:00] The 1,2,3,4 scale breakdown
[00:26:16] Consistency with the grading system
[00:27:30] Question 3: Free class-wide interventions to address math knowledge gaps
[00:28:40] Delta Math RtI
[00:33:09] Supporting high school math students with large knowledge gaps
[00:38:46] Recommended resources
[00:43:22] Question 4: England’s times table check
[00:47:40] Question 5: Are spiraling programs ineffective?
[00:50:02] Understanding spiraling vs. interleaving vs. spaced practice
[00:56:14] Program recommendations
[00:59:44] Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zps9p-18c1e97
Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937
Rocking the times tables with Bruno Reddy
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/rocking-the-times-tables-with-bruno-reddy/
Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/math-fact-crisis-strategies-for-improving-numeracy-with-brian-poncy/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-55-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-55-transcript
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
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Balanced literacy didn’t work—will balanced math? with Ben Solomon (Ep 54) (01:09:54)
In this episode, Anna Stokke speaks with Dr. Ben Solomon, professor and researcher at the University at Albany with expertise in math assessment and intervention. Ben returns to the podcast to discuss “balanced math” and the recently released New York math briefs, which are part of the state’s numeracy initiative, and are set to shape professional development across New York.
He explains why he and his colleagues launched a petition calling for the retraction of the briefs, pointing to omissions, misleading claims, and misuse of the term “evidence based.” They also unpack common math myths, such as the claim that timed tests cause math anxiety, and highlight the importance of explicit instruction while drawing parallels to balanced literacy and the reading wars.
This timely conversation is essential for educators, policymakers, and anyone committed to improving math education.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Petition to Retract the New York Math Briefs: https://shorturl.at/bN7PF
Masterclass: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching, La Trobe University https://shortcourses.latrobe.edu.au/masterclass-evidence-informed-mathematics-teaching
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:23] Introduction
[00:04:22] Understanding the New York Math Briefs
[00:09:46] The science of learning and its frameworks
[00:16:18] Myth 1: Time Testing causes Math Anxiety
[00:22:00] Myth 2: Explicit Instruction is Only for Students with Disabilities
[00:27:10] What is Explicit Instruction?
[00:29:45] The Importance of Explicit Instruction
[00:34:07] Similarities between Balanced Literacy and Balanced Math
[00:38:30] The Fundamental Misunderstandings of Explicit Instruction
[00:41:51] Myth 3: Structured Practice of Math Facts and Standard Algorithms Isn’t Useful
[00:43:56] Misconceptions about Conceptual Understanding
[00:47:13] Myth 4: Discovery Learning Should be Prioritized in the Early Stages of Acquisition
[00:51:50] The New York Math Scores
[00:57:03] The Benefits of Math Fluency Programs
[00:58:52] Replacement Documents for the New York Math Briefs
[1:05:38] Final Thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Red flags in education research with Dr. Ben Solomon
https://www.annastokke.com/podcast/episode/3a372141/red-flags-in-education-research-with-ben-solomon-ep-23
How to build automaticity with math facts (Anna Stokke)
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9
Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/math-fact-crisis-strategies-for-improving-numeracy-with-brian-poncy/
Do timed tests cause math anxiety? with Robin Codding
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-17-do-timed-tests-cause-math-anxiety-with-robin-codding/
Universal screening in math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/universal-screening-in-math-with-amanda-vanderheyden-ep-50/
From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/from-decline-to-top-rankings-how-england-transformed-education-with-nick-gibb-ep-49/
Teachers Talk Radio
https://www.ttradio.org/
RESOURCES
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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Found here: https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-54-transcript/
MUSIC
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Using the Instructional Hierarchy to teach math with Brendan Lee (Ep 53) (01:03:11)
In this episode, Anna Stokke chats with Brendan Lee, a teacher and educational consultant focused on bridging the gap between educational research and classroom practice. They discuss the instructional hierarchy and how teachers can tailor their teaching based on where students are in their learning journey––whether it’s the acquisition, fluency, generalisation, or adaptation stage. Brendan shares practical strategies and actionable advice that teachers can immediately apply in the classroom to better support student learning. This is an insightful discussion that will leave educators feeling informed, inspired, and ready to take on their next lesson.
Brendan Lee’s website: www.learnwithlee.net
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:23] Introduction
[00:03:15] Understanding the Instructional Hierarchy
[00:04:40] The acquisition stage
[00:08:28] Teacher’s Talk Radio
[00:10:39] Students’ struggles in the acquisition stage
[00:12:48] Effective teaching techniques in the acquisition stage
[00:19:37] Think-alouds: The meaning and purpose
[00:23:45] Concrete-Pictorial-Abstract
[00:33:47] Backwards fading method
[00:34:58] Make or break method
[00:36:50] Fluency stage: what teaching techniques work best
[00:47:34] Generalization/adaptation stage
[00:55:11] When to use teaching tools
[01:00:55] Advice for new teachers using the Instructional Hierarchy
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Reclaiming learning time to boost literacy and numeracy with Ross Fox https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpy4n-188c9c5
Supporting students with math difficulties with Sarah Powell
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-ciqgm-17def6b
Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e
Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f793
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-53-transcript
MUSIC
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LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
The case for practice and the power of Math Corps with Alex Kontorovich (Ep 52) (01:16:37)
In this episode, Anna Stokke has an engaging conversation Dr. Alex Kontorovich, a math professor at Rutgers University with a strong passion for math outreach. They explore why practice in math is often undervalued compared to disciplines like music or sports. They also discuss Math Corps, which is a summer math program for kids that combines evidence-based learning strategies with high expectations. Alex recently founded a Math Corps chapter in New Brunswick, New Jersey. The episode wraps up with a lively discussion about A Mathematician's Lament by Paul Lockhart, sparked by a comment from a listener. Whether you're a teacher, a parent, a mathematician, or simply someone interested in education, this episode has something for you.
This episode is available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:02:54] The value of math practice
[00:08:11] Engaging in math outreach
[00:11:44] Rutgers Math Corps: Structure and curriculum
[00:21:41] When research confirms what experience already knew
[00:24:05] Why times tables fluency matters
[00:30:07] Science of learning techniques in Math Corps
[00:35:42] Using hand gestures and building classroom culture
[00:40:01] Gamification
[00:42:23] Why well-meaning schools still produce poor results
[00:49:37] Discussion on A Mathematician's Lament
[01:16:03] Conclusion and final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
How we learn: Naïve, purposeful, and deliberate practice with Stephen Chew
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-mrwn2-18adce0
Math Academy: Optimizing student learning with Alex Smith and Justin Skycak
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jawpr-181e0c3
Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1
Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-gek66-148967a
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-52-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-52-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Rocking the times tables with Bruno Reddy (Ep 51) (00:59:37)
In this episode, Anna Stokke chats with Bruno Reddy, a math teacher and the creator of Times Tables Rock Stars. They discuss his journey from founding a school to creating Times Tables Rock Stars to address foundational skill gaps. Bruno shares great ideas for generating excitement in the math classroom and motivating students to practice essential math facts. They also discuss the importance of math fluency, insights from a teacher exchange in Shanghai, and effective teaching strategies such as mastery learning and variation theory. This is an energizing conversation full of useful takeaways for anyone passionate about improving math outcomes.
Times Tables Rock Stars will be running national and regional competitions in Australia and New Zealand in August, September and October, 2025. Follow their socials on Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn for more information.
Times Tables Rockstars: https://ttrockstars.com
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:04:50] The origin story of Times Tables Rock Stars
[00:14:20] Global times tables competitions
[00:15:38] The impact of TTRS on math outcomes
[00:18:20] How to motivate students to practice
[00:22:56] The importance of positive math experiences
[00:28:25] Choral chants and community building
[00:30:54] Lessons learned from the Shanghai teacher exchange program
[00:34:50] Variation theory
[00:43:37] Implementing mastery learning
[00:50:28] Fluency: What most math programs get wrong
[00:52:29] The importance of times tables
[00:56:05] Finding common ground in educational debates
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-zps9p-18c1e97
Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e
Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937
How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-3ny3k-17323a9
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-51-transcript
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Neatly Folded, Cornicob, Partly Sage
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Universal screening in math with Amanda VanDerHeyden (Ep 50) (00:53:55)
Host and math professor Anna Stokke talks to Dr. Amanda VanDerHeyden about a topic many Chalk & Talk listeners have asked about: universal screening in math. Amanda explains what universal screening is, why it matters, and how schools can use it to identify students who need extra support. They also discuss how to choose validated screeners, common mistakes to avoid, and how screening connects to effective intervention. This is a practical, informative episode for teachers, school leaders, and anyone looking to strengthen math instruction.
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:04:17] Overview of universal screening
[00:07:51] Universal screening in math vs reading
[00:11:36] How to find validated screening tools
[00:19:32] Should screeners match the curriculum?
[00:23:31] 145 math skills that forecast success and when to teach them
[00:29:24] The problem with making screeners too easy
[00:31:37] Is Acadience a good screening tool?
[00:32:43] Comparing reading and math screening systems
[00:37:09] Recap: What to look for in a good screener
[00:40:12] Frequency and timing of screening
[00:44:18] The growing importance of math screening
[00:48:45] Addressing teacher concerns with screening results
[00:52:31] Conclusion and final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bksbz-13c732d
Math and the myth of ability with John Mighton
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-22c7a-139dc72
Reading and math: Parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6
Supporting students with math difficulties with Sarah Powell https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-ciqgm-17def6b
Math fluency matters with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-50-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-50-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear: No Squirrel Commotion
Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Momentary Ease
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibb (Ep 49) (01:19:18)
In this episode, Anna Stokke interviews The Right Honourable Sir Nick Gibb, former Minister of State for Schools in England. Nick discusses the bold, evidence-based reforms he led over a decade to reverse declining academic performance in English schools. From phonics-based reading instruction to math mastery, he explains how high expectations, rigorous curricula, and a focus on teacher training transformed outcomes—helping England rise to 4th in the world in reading on PIRLS and one of the highest-performing countries on TIMSS. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in meaningful education reform.
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:04:05] The state of English education in 2005
[00:05:50] Problems with progressive education
[00:08:12] Math teaching in England before the reforms
[00:13:13] Education: A non-partisan issue
[00:14:48] Learning about math teaching from Shanghai and Singapore
[00:18:01] Competency-based curriculum debate
[00:22:00] Reading reforms
[00:26:09] Resistance to the phonics movement
[00:32:10] Math reforms implemented for primary education
[00:38:08] Attention to detail in curriculum development
[00:41:11] Debates on educational standards
[00:42:41] Reforming initial teacher training
[00:48:24] The Education Endowment Foundation
[00:50:21] Liberating the teaching profession
[00:55:07] How the reforms improved student outcomes
[00:57:42] Educational outcomes in Scotland and Wales
[01:00:38] The future of education reforms
[01:06:24] Advice for policymakers and advocates
[01:16:00] Reflections and closing remarks
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080
The tweet that roared with Tom Bennett
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpgqn-14326ef
Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac
Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-49-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-49-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Oy Studio: Light comedy
Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Neatly folded, Momentary Ease, Balti
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
How we learn: Naive, purposeful, and deliberate practice with Stephen Chew (Ep 48) (00:57:13)
Join math professor Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Stephen Chew, a cognitive psychologist at Samford University. They explore the different types of practice—naive, purposeful, and deliberate—and why understanding these distinctions can transform teaching and improve learning. The discussion also covers how to use feedback effectively, structure worked examples in math class, address common student misconceptions, and build trust in the classroom. They even tackle the term “active learning"—whether it actually means anything useful, and why the research on it may not be as clear as it seems. Packed with practical advice and research-based strategies, this episode is a must-listen for educators at all levels.
NOTE: The resource page contains research articles mentioned in the episode: https://www.annastokke.com/resources/episode-48-resources
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:02:53] Understanding naive, purposeful, and deliberate practice
[00:13:46] The importance of feedback in learning
[00:20:03] Effective use of worked examples
[00:25:13] Addressing student misconceptions
[00:31:18] Debunking learning myths: Struggle and engagement
[00:34:58] Is active learning just a buzzword?
[00:37:40] The problem with research on active learning
[00:42:35] Nine cognitive challenges for effective teaching
[00:44:51] Building trust in the classroom
[00:47:55] Desirable difficulties vs. unnecessary challenges
[00:51:23] Formative assessment techniques for large classes
[00:53:47] The complexity and importance of teaching
[00:54:32] Bridging the gap between research and practice
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df
Ep 4. Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-thbad-13cea56
Ep 7. How to excel in math and other tough subject with Barbara Oakley
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bqs8p-14068f2
Ep 16. Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-48-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/episode-48-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Cornicob, Momentary Ease, Town Market, Noe Noe
Podington Bear – Proliferate
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Mailbag: Math facts vs calculators, a logic problem, the Southern surge (Ep 47) (00:14:49)
In this special mailbag episode, Anna Stokke tackles two listener questions and a comment. She breaks down a logic puzzle that stumped some fans, explains why relying on calculators isn’t a substitute for math fact fluency, and highlights comments from a listener about encouraging literacy trends in several Southern U.S. states.
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction and Mailbag Announcement
[00:01:08] Question 1: Logic Problem from Episode 40
[00:04:47] Question 2: Can calculators replace math fact fluency?
[00:12:00] Comment on states that buck the declining scores trend
The Southern Surge: Understanding the Bright Spots in the Literacy Landscape
https://www.karenvaites.org/p/the-southern-surge-understanding
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 40 From math to science: How weak math skills hurt students
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-mqims-17b512f
Ep 36 How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9
Ep 29 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
Ep 30 Math Fluency matters with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e
Ep 45 A decade of decline: Examining falling test scores with Mike Petrilli
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-qeajx-187272a
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-47-transcript
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Momentary Ease, Neatly Folded
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Reclaiming learning time to boost literacy and numeracy with Ross Fox (Ep 46) (01:13:17)
In Episode 46, Anna Stokke chats with Australian education leader Ross Fox. As the former Director of Catholic Education for the Archdiocese of Canberra and Goulburn, Ross led a major shift in teaching practices that led to significant gains in both literacy and numeracy.
The episode begins with an overview of the Australian education system. They then explore Ross’s implementation of the Catalyst program—an initiative grounded in the science of learning. Ross discusses how high-impact teaching strategies and high-quality instructional materials led to measurable improvements in achievement, reduced inequities, and enhanced student motivation and behaviour. They also explore why the science of learning movement is critical for the future of education in Australia—and beyond. This episode will be of interest to educators, school leaders, policymakers, and anyone passionate about improving teaching and learning outcomes.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Free Webinar with Dr. Anna Stokke and Dr. Ben Solomon: The Science of Math Instruction: Using Evidence-Based Practices in the Classroom, May 8, 2025. Registration link: https://home.edweb.net/webinar/mathskills20250508/
researchED Toronto: https://researched.org.uk/event/researched-toronto-2025/
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction and announcements
[00:02:33] Introducing Ross Fox
[00:04:14] Understanding the Australian education system
[00:09:56] Challenges in education and the Catalyst program
[00:11:03] The importance of effective teaching and learning
[00:19:22] Implementing the Science of Reading
[00:26:10] Defining and supporting learning
[00:30:45] High impact teaching practices
[00:32:12] Knowledge-rich curriculum
[00:36:17] Implementing effective math pedagogy
[00:40:49] Supporting teachers with high-quality math instructional materials
[00:44:28] Addressing educational inequities
[00:47:34] The Catalyst program: Goals and implementation
[00:49:10] Assessment and feedback for effective teaching
[01:00:53] Professional learning and teacher support
[01:04:09] Future directions and optimism in education
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 26 Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937
Ep 27 Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac
Ep 33 Educational leadership: Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17
Ep 36 How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-3ny3k-17323a9
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-46-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-46-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear - Kitten
Blue Dot Sessions – Town Market, Momentary Ease, Mazamorra, Squirrel Commotion
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
A decade of decline: Examining falling test scores with Mike Petrilli (Ep 45) (00:59:36)
In this episode, host and math professor Anna Stokke interviews Mike Petrilli, President of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, about the role of standardized testing in K–12 education. They discuss the benefits and criticisms of standardized tests, the methodologies behind tests like NAEP, international comparisons with PISA and TIMSS, long-term trends in student performance, and the consequences of declines in student achievement.
Highlights include a discussion of Mississippi's educational success despite high poverty rates, and the potential influences of modern educational policies and smartphones. Mike Petrilli emphasizes the importance of accurate measurement for policymaking and shares advice on influencing educational policy. This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, parents, and anyone interested in the future of education.
FREE WEBINAR: The Science of Math Instruction: Using Evidence-Based Practices in the Classroom, May 8, 2025. Registration link: https://home.edweb.net/webinar/mathskills20250508/
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:03:18] Discussion on standardized testing
[00:06:14] Criticisms of standardized testing
[00:12:25] Frequency and levels of testing
[00:20:04] International perspectives on testing
[00:23:11] Understanding NAEP
[00:28:07] Recent trends in NAEP scores
[00:28:41] Impact of the pandemic
[00:31:16] Pre-pandemic declines
[00:32:26] Comparing international trends: PISA scores
[00:33:08] The role of smartphones
[00:35:26] TIMSS scores
[00:38:16] Long-term impact of declining academic achievement
[00:39:20] Efforts to address learning loss
[00:42:12] States that bucked the trend: the “Mississippi miracle”
[00:46:44] Low-performing states
[00:49:54] Future strategies for education systems
[00:53:22] Influencing educational policy
[00:55:49] Conclusion and final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 33. Educational leadership: Improving math and literacy with Scott Hill
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17
Ep 32. Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-y6cxs-16ad6f1
Ep 25. Understanding reform math ideology with Tom Loveless
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7ih4c-15dbf9a
Ep 18. Education myth-busting with Daisy Christodoulou
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-45-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-45-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Mazamorra, Tarte Tatin, Willow Willow, Betty Dear, Lissa
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Mailbag: Building Thinking Classrooms, number talks & more with Zach Groshell (Ep 44) (00:49:03)
Dr. Anna Stokke and guest Dr. Zach Groshell answer listener questions in a special mailbag episode. They cover strategies for managing varying levels of math proficiency in the classroom, critique the Building Thinking Classrooms approach, and discuss whether number talks should be prioritized for developing math fact fluency. This discussion provides practical insights and critiques on current educational practices to help teachers improve math instruction.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
02:44 Listener Question: Differentiating Direct Instruction
05:52 Zach's advice on differentiation
10:10 Listener Question: Building Thinking Classrooms
11:20 Are multiple access points effective?
15:14 Critique of Building Thinking Classrooms
19:03 Does research support using BTC?
20:53 Is everyone doing it wrong?
22:17 Observing BTC in action
23:46 Defining thinking and why mimicking is important
27:30 Permanent vs. non-permanent learning surfaces
29:04 The practicality of mini whiteboards
31:34 Advice from Anna & Zach on whether to use BTC
36:20 Listener question: Number talks and math fact fluency
37:53 Critique of number talks
40:09 Using effective methods for building math fact automaticity
42:19 Advice on mental math strategies
44:18 Using instructional time efficiently
46:21 Conclusion and book description
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 10 Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-px8h6-1443528
Ep 36 How to build automaticity with math facts: A practical guide
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3ny3k-17323a9
Ep 2 Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-zgw6i-13b33df
Ep 3 The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bksbz-13c732d
Ep 23 Red flags in education research with Ben Solomon
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-cp5xt-156072c
Ep 29 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
Ep 30 Math Fluency matters with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e
Ep 41 Supporting students with math difficulties with Sarah Powell
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-ciqgm-17def6b
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-44-transcript
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
How advocacy is changing reading instruction with Jamie Metsala (Ep 43) (01:15:17)
Join Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Jamie Metsala, one of two content area experts on the Ontario Human Rights Commission’s Right to Read public inquiry. Jamie shares her expertise on the importance of strong early instruction in foundational reading skills, the pitfalls of balanced literacy, and the urgent need for evidence-based practices in education. They explore the role of parent advocacy and the far-reaching implications of the Right to Read report, not just for Ontario, but for education systems across Canada and beyond.
Jamie explains why universal screening matters, how structured literacy benefits all readers, and what effective intervention looks like. They also discuss the importance of teacher preparation programs and ongoing professional development to equip educators with the tools they need to teach reading successfully.
With many provinces and states still relying on ineffective reading instruction, systemic change is critical. Jamie offers valuable advice for advocates, making this conversation essential listening for educators, parents, and anyone advocating for evidence-based education reform.
researchED Toronto 2025: https://researched.org.uk/event/researched-toronto-2025/
NOTE: The resource page contains links to reports, articles, and websites mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-43-resources
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:04:06] The Ontario Human Rights Commission Right to Read inquiry
[00:06:40] Reading achievement in Ontario and other provinces
[00:13:19] The impact of balanced literacy and its flawed assumptions
[00:19:21] What science says about teaching foundational reading skills
[00:29:15] Universal screening and early interventions
[00:32:30] Problems with Reading Recovery
[00:36:32] How Canadian provinces are responding to the Right to Read inquiry
[00:41:10] Teacher preparation and the resistance to change
[00:50:25] Challenges in implementing evidence-based literacy instruction
[00:52:06] Debunking myths: Do all students learn differently?
[00:54:20] Structured literacy and the importance of fluency
[01:00:43] Consequences of poor reading instruction
[01:06:50] Advice for advocates
[01:12:47] Final thoughts: The future of reading and math education
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 20 Reading and math: Parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6
Ep 27 Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac
Ep 29 Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-43-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-43-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Proliferate, Balti, Momentary Ease
Podington Bear – Camp, Kitten, Squirrel Commotion
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Math Academy: Optimizing student learning with Alex Smith and Justin Skycak (Ep 42) (01:14:55)
Join Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Alex Smith, Director of Curriculum, and Justin Skycak, Director of Analytics, from Math Academy. Math Academy is an AI-powered online learning platform designed around science of learning principles. They discuss Bloom's 2 sigma problem and explore how Math Academy aims to address it. They also explain how the platform leverages knowledge graphs to support mastery learning and highlight key instructional strategies such as worked examples, spaced practice, and the testing effect.
They explore how Math Academy manages cognitive load to optimize learning as well as its success with adult learners and advanced students. They also discuss the concrete-pictorial-abstract approach in math instruction. To wrap up, Justin and Alex share exciting updates and future plans for Math Academy. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in math education.
NOTE: The resource page contains resources and research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-42-resources
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
04:41 Bloom's 2 sigma problem
10:11 Mastery learning
13:17 Math knowledge graph
21:03 Importance of prerequisite skills
26:42 Worked examples
33:11 Concrete-pictorial-abstract discussion
40:56 Incorporating spaced practice
47:47 Leveraging the testing effect
52:14 Independent learning and incentives
55:51 Math Academy for adult learners
01:01:49 Accelerating advanced students
01:09:57 The future of Math Academy
01:13:26 Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 32. Identifying and educating advanced students with Jonathan Plucker https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-y6cxs-16ad6f1
Ep 15. Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-gek66-148967a
Ep 7. How to excel in math and other tough subjects with Barbara Oakley
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bqs8p-14068f2
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-42-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-42-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Balti, Betty Dear, Willow Willow, Partly Sage
Podington Bear – Camp, Kitten
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X: @rastokke
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Supporting students with math difficulties with Sarah Powell (Ep 41) (00:58:53)
Join Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Sarah Powell, a leading expert in teaching students with math difficulties. They discuss the shortcomings of a recent joint position statement by the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM) and the Council for Exceptional Children (CEC) on teaching math to students with disabilities.
Sarah critiques the statement’s failure to include critical evidence-based practices, such as explicit instruction, and its reliance on vague or unsupported recommendations. She highlights research-backed strategies that can truly help students struggling with math, emphasizing the ethical responsibility of educators, policymakers, and advocates to ensure effective math instruction. Sarah also co-authored a response to the position statement.
Note: The resource page for this episode contains a link to the NCTM/CEC position statement, Sarah’s group’s response, and other articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-41-resources
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
05:06 Understanding math disabilities
08:19 The NCTM/CEC position statement
17:06 Does growth mindset help math outcomes?
17:53 Is UDL evidence based?
21:57 Evidence-based practices for teaching math
29:07 The omission of explicit instruction
30:55 Why explicit instruction is important
35:51 The IES practice guide
38:50 Consequences of poor instruction
41:44 The Influence of NCTM and CEC
43:26 Recommendations for effective math instruction
49:43 Preventing math difficulties
56:02 Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 29 Math fact crisis: Strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncy https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
Ep 30 Math Fluency matters with Brian Poncy
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pj6z6-166741e
Ep 25 Understanding math reform ideology with Tom Loveless
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7ih4c-15dbf9a
Ep 21 The right to learn math with Daniel Ansari
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-4nv9n-1527568
Ep 3 The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bksbz-13c732d
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-41-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-41-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Thannoid, Tarte Tatin, Cornicob, Momentary Ease
Podington Bear – Proliferate
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
From math to science: How weak math skills hurt students with Therese Markow (Ep 40) (00:54:23)
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes Dr. Therese Markow, Professor Emeritus at the University of California, San Diego, and host of the Critically Speaking podcast. They discuss the critical intersection of math and science education.
Therese shares her firsthand experiences as a geneticist and post-secondary educator, highlighting the alarming decline in basic numeracy among students and its impact on their success in fields like biology and genetics. The conversation covers fascinating studies linking math experience to logical reasoning and brain development. Therese tackles the question of whether math skills have a genetic component.
They also discuss societal and educational implications of weak math skills, including how some popular teaching philosophies might be failing students. Whether you're an educator, a math or science enthusiast scientist, or simply passionate about improving education, this episode offers something for everyone.
NOTE: The resource page contains research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-40-resources
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
03:24 Math skills in science students
11:25 Impact on university curriculum standards
19:36 Links between math and logic skills
28:03 Are math abilities genetic?
28:40 Heritability studies: Twins and math abilities
38:06 Effective math teaching influences math ability
41:27 Gender and math: Debunking myths
42:48 Personal stories about math interest
50:56 Importance of basic math skills in life
52:58 Conclusion and final Thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 2. Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df
Ep 16. Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1
Ep 22. Mindsets and educational misconceptions with Carl Hendrick
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-78zv9-15493b1
Ep 35. Preparation for university math with Darja Barr and Dan Wolczuk
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-b8ssx-171a631
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-40-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-40-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Balti, Cases to Rest
Podington Bear – No Squirrel Commotion, Kitten
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Project Follow Through: Direct Instruction's overlooked success with Marcy Stein (Ep 39) (01:15:54)
Join Anna Stokke in conversation with Dr. Marcy Stein, professor emeritus from the University of Washington, Tacoma, about her firsthand experience with Direct Instruction (DI) and Project Follow Through—the world’s largest educational experiment. Despite showing DI’s effectiveness with at-risk students, the results were largely ignored.
Marcy shares insights into the origins of DI, its instructional design, and emphasizes that it’s effective for all students, not just those struggling academically. She also addresses common misconceptions, walks through a typical DI math lesson, and gives advice on how to bridge skill gaps in the classroom. This episode unpacks the story of Project Follow Through and the ongoing fight for evidence-based education.
NOTE: The resource page contains resources and research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-39-resources
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:03:52] Marcy Stein’s background
[00:07:11] Origins of Direct Instruction
[00:11:26] Overview of Project Follow Through
[00:14:40] Instructional models and results of Project Follow Through
[00:23:30] What makes DI effective?
[00:25:12] Why were the results of PFT ignored?
[00:29:28] Difference between DI and di
[00:31:52] Instructional design in DI
[00:37:50] Pitfalls of multiple strategies
[00:42:55] Understanding instructional delivery in DI
[00:45:51] Managing varying abilities in the classroom
[00:48:28] Addressing prerequisite skills in older students
[00:52:40] Spiral vs. strand curriculum
[00:55:12] A typical DI math lesson structure
[00:59:34] List of DI math programs
[01:01:17] Common misconceptions about DI
[01:05:03] Challenges and resistance to DI
[01:09:02] Role of leaders and faculty in DI implementation
[01:13:51] Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep 34 Transforming education through behaviour science with Kimberly Berens https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-9tfz7-16f2e02
Ep 31 Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615
Ep 20 Reading and math: Parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-8aj3f-1508af6
Ep 10 Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-px8h6-1443528
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-39-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-39-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions –Tall Harvey, Little Poder, Momentary Ease, Betty Dear
Podington Bear – Camp, Kitten
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
Boosting attention and learning with Blake Harvard (Ep 38) (00:55:16)
Join math professor, Anna Stokke, in conversation with Blake Harvard, a secondary teacher in Alabama. They discuss insights from his new book, Do I Have Your Attention?, including how he incorporates cognitive psychology into his teaching.
Their conversation explores topics like cognitive architecture, memory constraints, attention contagion and common learning pitfalls. Blake provides practical strategies for implementing retrieval practice and spaced practice, highlighting their benefits in reducing test anxiety and enhancing long term learning outcomes.
The episode wraps up with a thought-provoking discussion on creativity, where Blake challenges the notion that traditional schooling stifles creativity—arguing instead that a strong knowledge foundation fosters it.
Whether you’re an educator or simply curious about the science of learning, this episode offers valuable insights for teaching and learning in any subject.
NOTE: The resource page contains resources and research articles mentioned in the episode: annastokke.com/ep-38-resources
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
02:44 Blake's Teaching Journey
03:13 Discovering cognitive psychology
05:18 Understanding memory constraints
13:55 Attention contagion
21:54 Overcoming overconfidence in learning
25:32 The role of forgetting in learning
27:53 Maximizing learning with effective strategies
28:36 The power of retrieval and spaced practice
29:45 Retrieval practice in math
33:10 Diminishing cues retrieval practice
36:21 The Brain Book Buddy strategy
41:13 The importance of honest self-assessment
42:56 Reducing test anxiety with retrieval practice
45:48 The benefits of spaced practice
47:06 Last lesson, last week, last month strategy
49:38 Debunking myths about creativity in education
52:48 Final thoughts and advice for teachers
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Ep. 26 Cognitive load theory in math class with David Morkunas
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-znh5k-15f7937
Ep. 13 Powerful teaching with Patrice Bain
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-d77g4-14602e3
Ep 4 Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashman
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-thbad-13cea56
Ep. 2 Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner
https://www.podbean.com/eas/pb-zgw6i-13b33df
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-38-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-38-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – No Squirrel Connection, Thannoid, Momentary Ease, Betty Dear
Podington Bear – Camp
Scott Holmes – Happy Logo
Website: www.annastokke.com
X: @rastokke
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/anna-stokke-3a1b4c
Bluesky: @rastokke.bsky.social
