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Once a week, Michael Liebreich and Bryony Worthington have a conversation with a leader in clean energy, mobility, climate finance or sustainable development. Informative, inspiring and fun!
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The World Decides: Clean Energy or Oil & Gas? | Ep243: Damilola Ogunbiyi (00:56:20)
What if the future of clean energy isn’t decided in Washington, Brussels, or Beijing, but in Lagos, Nairobi, and Addis Ababa? Are we underestimating how fast the Global South is leapfrogging fossil fu...
The State of the Climate 2026 | Ep242: Zeke Hausfather (01:11:28)
How do we model the climate system? How warm will 2026 be? And can geoengineering be anything more than a bandaid?
This week on Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with leading climate scientis...
Is Africa Poised To Be A Clean Energy Powerhouse? Ep241: Clemens Calice (00:58:46)
Why does Africa, home to 18% of the world’s population, receive just 1% of global energy investment? What’s stopping money from flowing to the continent when it has such good wind and solar potential?...
Climate Action vs Cost of Living: Can We Do Both? | Ep240: Katie White, UK Climate Minister (00:57:15)
How do we build a clean energy system while bringing UK bills down? Can the UK’s landmark Climate Change Act stand up to a fractured climate politics? And does increasing global instability make home-...
Trump, Venezuela & The Future Of Clean Energy | Ep239: Michael Liebreich & Bryony Worthington (01:08:27)
Is the link between oil and geopolitics starting to diminish? Has climate consensus fractured just as clean energy hits escape velocity? And are batteries, not barrels, becoming the true source of pow...
Cleaning Up Redux: Canada's Controversial Queen of Green — Tzeporah Berman (01:05:26)
This episode was originally broadcast in June 2023, watch the episode on YouTube here. Cleaning Up will return with new episodes January 7th, 2026. Tzeporah Berman has been leading environmental campa...
Cleaning Up Redux: Hot Rocks in a Box — Anand Gopal (00:57:40)
This episode was originally broadcast in June 2024.As the world transitions away from fossil fuels, one of the biggest challenges is decarbonizing industrial processes that require consistent, reliabl...
Stop Worrying About Clean Power, Start Electrifying Everything | Ep238: Lord Adair Turner (01:10:56)
What will be the long-term impact of the US’s great leap backward on clean energy? How will the emergency of China as an electrotech giant reshape geopolitics? And what will be the defining trends and...
Honey, I Shrunk the Oil And Gas Sector | Ep237: Lord John Browne (00:51:22)
What happens when clean energy starts to outgrow fossil fuels at scale? Is it right to call China an electrostate? And how long will we be reliant on hydrocarbons?This week on Cleaning Up, host Michae...
Why Does The UK Pay So Much For Cheap-To-Produce Gas? | Ep236: Seb Kennedy (01:08:43)
What happens when a nation’s energy security rests on volatile global gas markets? Why does the UK pay market prices for some of the world’s cheapest-to-produce gas? And is now the moment to rethink d...
Inside Europe’s Largest AI Data Centre: A Green Giant Rises | Ep235: Robert Dunn (01:02:52)
What does it take to build Europe’s largest and most sustainable data-centre campus, from an empty plot of land to a 1.2-gigawatt giant of AI? How do you future-proof a facility when chip technology i...
California vs Trump In The Battle For Clean Air | Ep234: Liane Randolph (01:13:19)
What happens when the world’s most ambitious climate state runs head-on into a hostile federal government? Can California still lead the clean-energy transition while battling rising costs, wildfires ...
The €65 Billion Plan to Modernise Germany’s Grids | Ep233: Tim Meyerjürgens (01:03:16)
What does it take to future-proof Europe’s electricity grid? How do you finance €65 billion in infrastructure without driving up consumer electricity costs? And can the permitting process be sped up t...
Why There'll Never Be A Hydrogen Economy | Ep232: Erik Rakhou (01:07:07)
Is green hydrogen a ‘miracle fuel’ or an expensive illusion? Can we decarbonize without it? And what happens when hydrogen hype meets hard economics?This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich debates...
The Electrotech Revolution Will Not Be Fossilized | Ep231: Kingsmill Bond (00:49:53)
What if the energy transition isn’t about sacrifice and belt-tightening, but abundance? Are electrified technologies ready to replace the polluting fossil fuel system we’re so reliant on? And what wil...
COP30: Caught Between An Electrostate and A Petrostate | Ep230: Rachel Kyte (00:59:42)
This week on Cleaning Up, we welcome back Rachel Kyte, the UK’s Special Representative for Climate Change, for a deep dive into the shifting landscape of global climate diplomacy ahead of COP30 in Bel...
The US Just Sank Shipping's Big Plan for Decarbonization, What Now? | Ep229: Tristan Smith (01:16:00)
Global shipping contributes about 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions, equivalent to the total emissions of Japan or Germany. The sector, including its contribution to climate change, is governed by...
How To Move Away From Fossil Fuels Faster — Bryony Grills Michael on The Pragmatic Climate Reset | Ep228 (01:05:47)
This summer, Michael Liebreich wrote two essays under the title of the Pragmatic Climate Reset. The first challenged the idea that the clean energy transition has failed. And the second challenged the...
The £60 Billion Plan To Rewire Britain | Ep227: John Pettigrew (01:01:14)
What does it take to rewire a nation’s energy system? Can we make the grid cleaner, smarter, and more resilient — without driving up bills? And how will the explosion of AI data centres reshape the fu...
What India Gets Right About The Energy Transition | Ep226: Dr Arunabha Ghosh (01:11:10)
What does it take for India to deliver electricity to hundreds of millions while simultaneously building a fast-growing clean energy system? Can it overcome its fossil dependence to secure its energy ...
Can We Save the Great Barrier Reef? | Ep225: Dr Katharina Fabricius (00:57:56)
Why should we care about coral reefs? What happens when they collapse? And is there still hope for their survival?In this episode of Cleaning Up, Bryony Worthington sits down with coral reef ecologist...
Audioblog 16: The Pragmatic Climate Reset, Part II — A Provocation (01:06:55)
The election of Donald Trump to a second term as President marked a turning point in the politics of climate action – not just in the US, but around the world.The airwaves are suddenly awash with comm...
Less Doom, More Data: Debunking the Biggest Climate Myths | Ep223: Dr. Hannah Ritchie (01:10:03)
Is the future of clean energy and climate solutions brighter than we think? In this episode of Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich welcomes back Hannah Ritchie — Deputy Editor at Our World in Data, researc...
Malcolm Turnbull: Clean Energy Culture Wars and The Race To Build More Storage | Ep 222 (01:12:38)
What happens when cheap solar flips the script on climate sceptics? Can pumped hydro really deliver the long-duration storage we need? And is “hope” a dangerous comforter in the race to net zero?In th...
Cleaning Up Redux: A Magnificent Woman And Her Flying Machines - Bonny Simi (00:58:14)
This episode was originally broadcast in February 2024Bryony returns with Bonny Simi, President of Operations at Joby Aviation, where she's working on bringing to market a new civilian electric VTOL (...