Om Come Heck or Hot Water: Resilient Solutions for a Changing World
Welcome to Come Heck or Hot Water (formerly Fahrenheit 140) - where we dive into the science, and solutions shaping climate resilience efforts. In every episode, we’ll explore the science driving change, and the innovations reshaping how we live, work, and sustain our planet. We’ll break down what’s happening, why it matters, and how you can be part of the solution.
In Season 3, we’re diving into the ins and outs of seawater desalination. We’ll uncover what this promising solution could mean for our future water security.
It’s time to face to face the heat, and make a difference—together.
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Salt to Sanctuary: Desalination and Ecology of Bays and Estuaries (00:50:45)
Could desalination actually help or hurt coastal environments? In this episode, we uncover the secret life of bays, estuaries, and the critters that call them home. Plus — what could desalination mean for our salty ecosystems? Join our hosts Robert and Carrie as they discuss the ecology of bays and estuaries in relation to desalination with Paul Montagna of Harte Research Institute. Got a question for Robert and Carrie? Submit it here—we might answer it on the show! First up, it’s the Pop Quiz (02:10) Last episode, Bill Norris and I coined the “Hydro-illogical cycle;” what did we mean by that? A) Constructing desalination facilities is most expensive in times of drought vs times of ample water B) Heavy rains and flooding do not necessarily end drought C) More rain can mean more runoff, resulting in increased pollution of our waterways Today’s Keywords: (04:34) Discharge Point: the pipe where the wastewater (brine concentrate) from desalination is released into surrounding water bodies (such as bays or estuaries) Non-point Source Pollution: pollutants that enter water bodies from diffuse sources rather than singular identifiable sources (fertilizer runoff, litter, etc.) Benthic/Benthos: describes anything associated with or occurring on the bottom of a body of water. Today’s Guest: Paul Montagna, Endowed Chair for HydroEcology at Harte Research Institute at TAMU-CC Robert Mace introduces our guest (07:44) Paul Montagna explores the ecological impacts of desalination: Waving the Book: Paul discusses his latest written work, Freshwater Inflows to Texas Bays and Estuaries (GO READ IT!!!). (09:27) River Systems Breakdown: What is considered a bay vs estuary, and how do they connect inland water bodies to the coast? (11:50) Nutrient-Rich Nursery Grounds: How coastal regions contribute to safe breeding grounds. (13:50) Bay-stuary Stressors: Paul outlines several integrated factors threatening the health of coastal habitats. (17:45) Combined Priorities: "They care as much as we do,” learn how desalination plant designs often align with environmental priorities. (24:50) Environmental Benefits of Desal: Can desalination replenish other environmental flows? (32:04) And Don’t Miss What’s Coming Next! Next Episode: Join Robert and Carrie for a discussion about economic considerations of desalination with Gabe Collins of Rice University. Episode Links and Resources: Freshwater Inflows to Texas Bays and Estuaries Texas Desalination Association Submit a question to the pod! Theme song: Come Heck or Hot Water by Robert E. Mace We want to thank pixabay.com for providing the sound effects. Learn more about the Meadows Center at meadowscenter.txst.edu.
From Policy to Pipes: Legislative Considerations for Desalination (00:47:37)
What if the future of Texas’ water supply came from the ocean? In this episode, join hosts Carrie and Robert as they sit down with Bill Norris, President of the Texas Desalination Association, to explore how desalination could change the game for the Texas water supply. From the significance of Senate Bill 7 to the potential of seawater plants, we unpack the big moves happening behind the scenes. Don’t miss this fascinating dive into Texas’ water future. Got a question for Robert and Carrie? Submit it here—we might answer it on the show! First up, it’s the Pop Quiz (02:47) In the last episode, Lihy Teuerstein mentioned that IDE Technologies is able to recover up to what percentage of water during the desalination process? a) 85-87% b) 90-94% c) 95-98% Today’s Keywords: (04:20) TDS: Total Dissolved Solids (total concentration of dissolved “stuff” in water) Blended Cost: When a water supply comes from several different sources, and the price reflects the combined price points of the separate sources. Texas Legislative Session: The Texas Legislature meets every two years. Today’s Guest: Bill Norris of Norris Water LLC and president of the Texas Desalination Association Robert Mace introduces our guest (07:13) Bill Norris explores the viability of desalination as a new water source for Texans: From “Square” to “Flare:” Bill shares the history and overview of the Texas Desalination Association and how current bills are shaping up. (08:40) Funding the Future: Understand the Texas Water Fund’s role in water planning and the future of desalination. (14:20) The “Hydro-Illogical” Cycle: Explore the shifts in attitudes about desalination in the Lone Star State. (17:58) Cost/Benefit Analysis: What is a blended cost, and how can this reduce sticker shock for communities looking to implement desalination? (22:40) Better Late than Never: Despite decades of delay, Bill has a positive outlook for implementation. (25:27) Taking Notes: How can Texas learn from other countries about managing desalination? (28:58) And Don’t Miss What’s Coming Next! Next Episode: Join Robert and Carrie for a discussion about the ecological considerations of desalination with Paul Montagna. Episode Links and Resources: lege+water Texas Legislature Bill Search Norris Water LLC Texas Desalination Association Submit a question to the pod! Theme song: Come Heck or Hot Water by Robert E. Mace We want to thank pixabay.com for providing the sound effects. Learn more about the Meadows Center at meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Shoring Up Potable Sources: Bringing Israeli Technology to Texas (00:34:52)
Water scarcity is no joke—especially in Texas. But what if the Lone Star State could take a page from Israel’s playbook? Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie, as they sit down with Lihy Teuerstein and Mark Ellison of IDE Technologies. Lihy and Mark break down the similarities and differences between Israeli and Texan desalination operations and introduce us to the environmental benefits of desalination. Got a question for Robert and Carrie? Submit it here—we might answer it on the show! First up, it’s the Pop Quiz (01:45) In the last episode, Robert mentioned that Texas has one of the longest-running desalination plants in the United States. Which Texas city is it located in? A) Corpus Christi B) Muleshoe C) El Paso D) South Padre E) Dell City Today’s Keywords: (03:11) Water Supply: the process of providing water to communities Water Security: the ability of a community to access safe, affordable, and reliable water for its needs Drought: a lack of precipitation or water over an extended period of time, resulting in a water shortage Today’s Guests: Lihy Teuerstein and Mark Ellison from IDE Technologies Carrie Thompson introduces our guests (04:06) Lihy and Mark explore the benefits of bringing Israeli technology to Texas: Israel’s Leading Innovations: Lihy explains groundbreaking tech that gives Israeli desalination its edge. (05:44) Toward the Texas Miracle (Responsibly): Mark outlines how desalination can help the state meet growing water demands (10:57) Putting the Water Where Our Mouths Are: What goes into selecting a desalination site? (13:33) Herding the Cats: Lihy explains the Israeli water grid in comparison to Texas water policy (16:53) From Sea to Shining Stream: How seawater desalination can replenish resources. (20:43) The Recovery Ratio: Explore the exciting new technologies making desalination more sustainable. (23:03) From Drying to Thriving: Mark shares a vision of Texas water security, and the role desalination could play. (25:27) And Don’t Miss What’s Coming Next!Next Episode: Join Robert and Carrie for a discussion about policy and desalination in Texas. Episode Links and Resources: IDE Technologies Texas Desalination Association NaCl (Sodium Chloride) Submit a question to the pod! Theme song: Come Heck or Hot Water by Robert E. Mace We want to thank pixabay.com for providing the sound effects. Learn more about the Meadows Center at meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Gearing Up for a Resilient Future: Seawater Desalination 101 (00:32:40)
Welcome to season three of Come Heck or Hot Water (formerly Fahrenheit 140)! As changes in climate put strains on our natural resources, we’ve decided to take a deep dive into one possible solution for resilience and long-term sustainability. Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie, for an overview of seawater desalination. In this episode, Dr. Robert E. Mace explains the ins and outs of this agent of resilience. Got a question for Robert and Carrie? Submit it here! First up, we have a big announcement: New name, slightly different format, same great content (00:29) Season 3 Overview (03:28) Today’s Guest: Dr. Robert E. Mace Carrie Thompson re-introduces Dr. Robert E. Mace (04:35) Today’s Keywords: (06:37) Desalination: The process of removing “stuff” dissolved in water. Brine Concentrate: The salty waste byproduct of desalination. Brackish Groundwater: Water in aquifers that is not fresh. PFAS: Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substance, aka “forever chemicals” Freshwater: Generally defined as water with less than 1,000 parts per million of “stuff” dissolved in it. Today’s Pop Quiz: Where can our listeners submit a question to the podcast? A) the link at the bottom of the e-newsletter B) the link in our show notes C) email us directly at meadowscenter@txstate.edu D) All of the above Dr. Robert Mace takes us inside seawater desalination: The State of Freshwater: Dig into the factors impacting freshwater resources around the globe. (11:13) Resilience and Reliability: We need to find “a lot more water,” so where can we find it? (14:46) De-STUFF-ication: The history, process, and methods of seawater desalination. (16:53) What’s the whine about the brine? Explore the issues around the waste byproduct of the desalination process at home and at scale. (19:33) Powering the Process: The energy and economic realities of seawater desalination. (24:12) Who gets the water? If there’s no or low water...does it go to people or the environment? (27:43) And... DON’T MISS OUT! Next Episode: Join Robert and Carrie for a discussion with IDE Technologies about desalination efforts underway in Israel and Texas. (30:24) Episode Links and Resources: Texas Desalination Association Submit a question to the pod! Theme song: Come Heck or Hot Water by Robert E. Mace We want to thank pixabay.com for providing the sound effects. For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Trailer: Come Heck or Hot Water - Season 3 (00:01:29)
Welcome to Come Heck or Hot Water (formerly Fahrenheit 140) - where we dive into the science, and solutions shaping climate resilience efforts. In every episode, we’ll explore the science driving change, and the innovations reshaping how we live, work, and sustain our planet. We’ll break down what’s happening, why it matters, and how you can be part of the solution.In Season 3, we’re diving into the ins and outs of seawater desalination. We’ll uncover what this promising could mean for our future water security.It’s time to face to face the heat, and make a difference—together.
Balancing Priorities: Water Conservation vs. Climate Effect Mitigation (00:43:07)
We’re back with more bonus content to get you through the holidays! Join season two, episode 5 guest, Dr. Soe Myint, as he explores his research on remote water sensing issues and solutions in his Blue Bag Lunch and Learn presentation from March 2023. As the climate becomes more unpredictable, Dr. Myint explores behaviors and strategies for building climate resilience.
Listen along as Dr. Myint shares his findings...
Introducing the Research: Dr. Myint outlines his presentation on several key research areas. (04:17)
Examining Ecosystem Health and Sustainability of Coastal Environments: How mangrove forestation declines affect carbon sequestration in coastal regions. (05:21)
Ground and Surface Water Changes: Explore the dynamics influencing water changes in Canada. (10:23)
Social Inequity and Environmental Justice: Dr. Myint’s studies reveal socioeconomic disparities in climate effect alleviation. (17:33)
Water Use and Drought in the Lower Mekong Basin: Explore annual water use variations across several climates and elevations in the region. (26:53)
Agriculture vs. Water Conservation: Which crops are most susceptible to drought, and what practices can be used to mitigate water consumption in agriculture? (30:45)
Spatial Optimization Model to Confront the Trade-off Between Water Conservation and Heat Alleviation: This NASA funded project explores the relationship between heat alleviation and green infrastructure in relation to water consumption. (35:35)
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Episode Links and Resources:
Full Presentation Recording
Blue Bag Lunch & Learn Playlist
Dr. Myint’s Texas State University Faculty Profile
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Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
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Rediscovering Resources: Reliable Rainwater is Just a Roof Away (00:52:08)
This month, we’re delivering the bonus content you deserve! Join our host, Dr. Robert Mace, as he explores his research on how rainwater harvesting can be a viable alternative to conventional water sources. As our water sources are increasingly strained, you can rely on Fahrenheit 140 for creative ideas to keep your taps running!
Listen along as Robert shares his findings...
Introducing the Research: Robert outlines his study and introduces the RAINFAL spreadsheet tool along with his co-researcher, Ricardo Briones. (01:00)
What is Rainwater Harvesting? Man-made catchments provide potable volumes. (03:35)
Is Rainwater Reliable? How is reliability defined, and how can rainwater enter strategic water planning? (06:55)
Uses and Losses: What differences exist between reservoirs and tanks? (10:36)
If it quacks like conservation... Robert explores water supplies in times of drought. (12:31)
Sizing it Up: Tank calculation for gauging appropriate storage needs (16:50)
Revisiting Firm Yields: Robert makes his data dreams come true by revisiting the research and minimizing “tankziety.” (19:32)
Step #1 Find a Grad Student: Calculating firm yield with an extra set of brains. (22:25)
RAINFAL: Firm yield calculations made easy with this spreadsheet tool. (23:10)
Size Matters: Robert and Ricardo use RAINFAL to find the roof and tank size ratio needed in your area. (35:28)
Different Droughts for Different Spouts: How areas respond to drought differently, affecting storage and catchment needs for firm yield. (41:51)
Stealing or Storing? Robert debunks a common rainwater harvesting myth. (43:51)
Conclusions: Can Rainwater Harvesting work for you, your city, and your state? (45:47)
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Episode Links and Resources:
Full Presentation Recording
Blue Bag Lunch & Learn Playlist
The Firm Yield of Rainwater Harvesting in Texas (Meadows Center)
From Sky to Supply: The Hidden Potential of Rainwater Harvesting for Texas’ Water Future (Meadows Center Annual Report)
Hotter than a Habanero Climate Blog
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Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
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In the Hot Seats: Our Experts Answer Your Climate Questions (00:41:16)
This month, you asked the questions, and our cohosts delivered! Join our hosts, Carrie and Robert, as they tackle listener-submitted questions, debunk common climate myths, and share highlights from season two. With producers Anna and Sarah along for the ride, it’s an episode packed with insights, surprises, and even a first-ever Pop Quiz that puts our experts to the test!
Up first, Carrie and Robert unpack season two of Fahrenheit 140, dishing on their favorite season highs and lows. Then, the quiz begins—will they rise to the occasion or get stumped by Anna and Sarah’s trickiest questions? (06:08, 12:02)
Listen along as Robert and Carrie answer your questions about…
The Greenhouse Gas Effect: Robert explains how certain gasses trap heat. (17:15)
Resiliency planning: Do you have to believe in climate change to plan ahead? (18:25)
Can we slow it down? Is halting climate change possible, or are we just slowing the inevitable? (19:30)
Can Earth heal itself? Carrie discusses the Gaia Hypothesis and the problems our planet faces. (22:04)
Hurricanes and…toilets? Robert demystifies the Coriolis Effect. (24:36)
Glaciers and Pathogens on Doomsday: Which will affect us first: ancient pathogens or major sea-level rise? (25:38)
Responsible Cat Management: If cats are liquids, how do we plan for cat resiliency? (27:44)
…and bust these myths:
Is it the Sun’s fault? Carrie and Robert tackle the real cause of rising temperatures. (030:02)
What’s the deal with Chemtrails? Could jet planes actually help cool the planet? (31:00)
Natural Variability: Carrie and Robert unpack the data. (32:50)
The dreaded “Tipping Point:” Are we nearing this often-mentioned threshold? (34:25)
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Episode Links and Resources:
Global Warming is Not Part of Natural Climate Variability (Scientific American)
Climate Variability vs. Climate Change (University of Minnesota Climate Adaptation Partnership)
Yes, Cats are Liquids Only in One Dimension (Science.Org)
How would sea level change if all glaciers melted? (USGS)
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Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
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For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Facing the Future: Climate Preparedness in San Antonio, Texas (00:42:00)
The climate is changing, weather is getting increasingly unpredictable – so what can we do about it? The City of San Antonio has a few ideas. Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie, for a discussion with Douglas Melnick, the Chief Sustainability Officer for the City of San Antonio, about how the South Texas city is preparing for the changing climate.
Our co-hosts bring you the latest climate news covering several topics:
Water Planning Under Deep Uncertainty: Robert unpacks his latest Hotter Than a Habanero blog post about water planning during climate change. (02:04)
Cheap Housing Boom, Pricey Water Deficits: How Kyle, Texas is the canary in the coal mine for Central Texas water use. (05:09)
Misquoted: Robert sets the record straight about his prediction for the Carrizo-Wilcox Aquifer. (7:51)
Douglas Melnick takes us through the key aspects of a comprehensive Climate Ready action plan:
‘Climate Ready’ is Changing, too: Being ‘climate ready’ meant something different just a few years ago. Doug outlines the recent developments. (11:51)
Defining Challenges: How can communities frame their conversations about climate change? (14:31)
Equity for Frontline Communities: Find out how the City of San Antonio is centering equity in their action plan to prioritize these communities. (17:02)
Using Water and Saving Water: San Antonio is an international leader in water conservation, but how are they handling growth and disproportionate usage? (19:27)
Campaigning for Climate Change: How community partnerships key for increasing community climate literacy and awareness on a budget. (21:27)
The Tip of the Iceberg is Looking Bright: Doug shares the top wins of the Climate Ready action plan since 2019. (23:43)
Slow Work with High ROI: Get inspiration and advice for your community and hear how climate planning makes long-term financial sense. (25:46)
And…THE GOOD NEWS!
The Future of Energy is Upon Us: Robert shares wisdom from an “Aggie Futurist,” and explores a future where power is plentiful. (30:24)
Texas CHILI (No Beans Allowed): Find out how Texas CHILI “backronym” relates to carbon solutions. (35:10)
Episode Links and Resources:
City of San Antonio Office of Sustainability
SA Climate Ready Action Plan
Take the Climate Ready pledge
Forecasting the Unpredictable: Water Planning Under Deep Uncertainty (Hotter than a Habanero)
Hot, Dry, and Booming: A Texas Climate Case Study (Wall Street Journal)
The exponential growth of solar power will change the world (The Economist)
Clean energy’s next trillion-dollar business (The Economist)
Texas Innovates Launches CHILI Program with 10 Groundbreaking Companies During Houston Climate Week
Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
We would like to thank pixabay.com for providing sounds effects.
For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Use Water to Save Water: Urban Greening - the Next Climate Cure? (00:34:08)
What is urban greening, why does it matter, and which communities are at risk? What is the balance between water conservation and urban tree canopies? Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie, for a discussion with Dr. Soe Myint about his latest research on water conservation, urban greening, and environmental justice.
Our co-hosts bring you the latest climate news covering several topics:
Update on Texas waterways
Moving Soon? Discover which cities are most climate resilient and which ones are leaving homeowners to fend for themselves. (02:03)
Melting Glaciers: Swiss mountain glaciers are melting at twice the rate of the global average. (03:29)
From Toilet to Tap: El Paso is leading Texas in creative water conservation efforts. (05:48)
Can Volcanoes Chill? An eruption in the Polynesian Islands is stirring the climate science community. (08:10)
Dr. Soe Myint, Chief Conservation Officer for the Meadows Center and Meadows Endowed Chair in Water Conservation, explains how water conservation, urban cooling, environmental justice, and trees are all connected:
Heat is the #1 Killer: While populations skyrocket, the urban heat island effect is hitting underserved communities hardest. (10:48)
Beyond Throwing Shade: Dr. Myint explains how trees provide more than just a perfect picnic spot. (15:28)
Trees vs. Water: Watering trees can actually support conservation efforts and improve water quality. Here’s how. (16:14)
Are trees nature’s AC? What on earth is evapotranspiration, and how is it cooling your city? (16:41)
Is Your Community at Risk? Dr. Myint breaks down the factors that put certain populations at greater risk of heat-related health events. (17:34)
Run, Don’t Walk! Central Texas urgently needs climate resilience planning—yesterday! (24:10)
Use Water to Save Water: Dr. Myint unpacks the science behind his catchphrase. (25:54)
And…THE GOOD NEWS!
Texas > California: Texas is taking the lead on green energy in the U.S. (26:50)
Baby Sharks Doo Doo: Galveston Bay becomes a shark nursery. (30:06)
Episode Links and Resources:
Dr. Soe Myint Published Research
Our top-ranking cities for climate resiliency: 2024 study (USA Today)
Why melting glaciers affect us all (Swiss Info)
El Paso Reuses Every Drop of Water It Can. The Rest of Texas Could Heed the Lesson. (Texas Monthly)
The Hunga Tonga Volcano Was Blamed for High Global Temperatures in Recent Years – Now Scientists Aren't So Sure
Can Blue States Build? (The Atlantic)
Galveston Bay sees 600% increase in baby bull sharks as climate change warms coastal waters (Houston Chronicle)
Green Infrastructure Resources:
Environmetal Protection Agency: Green Infrastructure Funding Opportunities
Texas A&M AgriLife Extension: Texas Green Infrastructure Resources
Texas Water Development Board: Green Project Reserve
Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
We would like to thank pixabay.com for providing sound effects.
For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Hurricane Beryl Enters the Chat - Climate Change is a Public Health Crisis (Part 2) (00:38:06)
How severe are the effects of Hurricane Beryl? Why is it such an immense crisis, and how do we move forward from here? Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie, for the second of a two-part episode as they continue their discussion with medical anthropologist Dr. Rose Jones about the climate-fueled public health crisis.
In Part Two, our co-hosts bring you the latest climate news covering several topics:
Houston, we’re thinking of you. Just how many people are at risk of health crises in the midst of the Beryl blackout? (01:33)
Heat Kills: Heat health data might be shaky, but the record of 2023 is staggering. (06:04)
Where do we draw the lines? FEMA adjusts their floodplain protocol in post-flood reconstruction. (07:24)
Waves and Domes: The stark reality of climate change, heat indices, and human health. (11:03)
What’s at the heart of the climate health crisis with, Dr. Jones:
Where are we with policy? Find out where policy is failing, and where we can go from here. (13:08)
Blackouts in July, a Texan nightmare come true: Dr. Jones connects power outages to severe health risks, a poignant observation in light of recent events. (16:40)
A Social Autopsy: What will it take to wake the state to climate realities? (20:23)
How do we connect the dots? From training to education, dig into the wicked heart of the climate health crisis, and learn how you can contribute to solutions. (21:38)
How do you stay hydrated? Dr. Mace shares tips from R.N. Patricia Cloyd-Santos on staying hydrated (Hint: It’s not beer…). (30:04)
And…THE GOOD NEWS!
Hurri-cakes? Insensitive and poorly timed, or a helpful preparedness communication tool? (31:51)
Slow Fashion Caucus: How is Congress fighting climate on the runway? (32:13)
Applied Academics: How UT and City of Austin are putting research to the pavement. (34:04)
Episode Links and Resources:
Heat.gov
Texas Department of Health and Human Services Hot Weather Precautions
Locate Cooling Centers and Seasonal Shelters in Texas
Race to restore power to 1.3M after Hurricane Beryl as dangerous heat wave continues (NBC)
Hurricane Beryl SpotRep (Healthcare Ready)
“I don’t wish this on anyone”: Two families mourn their losses after a record year for Texas heat deaths (Texas Tribune)
FEMA will now consider climate change when it rebuilds after floods (MSN)
Dangerous Texas Memorial Day heat made 5 times more likely by global warming (San Antonio Current)
First Ever Congressional Slow Fashion Caucus Aims to Curb Fast Fashion Pollution (The Apparelist)
Scorched: Climate Change Turns Up the Heat on Austin (Bridging Barriers)
Related Books
The Heat Will Kill You First: Life and Death on a Scorched Planet (2023). Jeff Goodell. New York: Little, Brown and Company.
Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago (2015). Eric Klinenberg. The University of Chicago Press, 2nd edition.
Saving Ourselves: From Climate Shocks to Climate Action (2024). Dana Fisher. Columbia University Press.
Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
Climate Change is a Public Health Crisis with Dr. Rose Jones (Part 1) (00:48:19)
Are you wondering how to cope with the heat? Does it feel like climate-related health protection policy is moving at an ironically glacial pace? Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie for the latest climate news updates, and delve into the heart of the climate-fueled public health crisis with medical anthropologist, Dr. Rose Jones, during the first of a two-part episode.
An interview with Dr. Rose Jones, medical anthropologist and founder of Rapid Anthropology, uncovers the deeply troubling intricacies of climate health inequities, policy lags, and general crises:
What in the climate change is medical anthropology? Learn how anthropology can be applied to examine issues in public health, and how this understanding can be applied to climate-related health crises. (15:15)
What do the LA Strikes of 2023, Texas prisons, and the border crisis have in common? Dr. Jones draws a connection between the LA writers’ strikes that shut Hollywood down to the health crises along the Texas border and in Texas prisons. (19:40)
Where is the balance between the health benefits of tree canopies and water conservation? Dig into the complexities of the climate crisis in relation to human needs and resource conservation. (24:45)
How are we drawing connections between climate and public health? Between coding, tracking, education, and training, learn how the dots are connected or missed entirely. (30:41)
Then, it’s the good news! Join Robert and Carrie for some of the uplifting climate news, and a special appearance from our producer:
Is it illegal to provide voters water when standing in line to cast their vote? (35:00)
Is Texas in the top ten most polluted beaches in the nation? Learn about how the Blue Water Task Force is monitoring bacteria along the Texas Coast. (38:58)
A new grant secured by House Representative Greg Casar was awarded to the Meadows Center to support water quality research on the Texas Coast (41:35)
Solar energy is getting exponentially more powerful. Discover the innovations and how they could affect power use in the future. (43:26)
Episode Links and Resources:
Heat.gov
Texas Department of Health and Human Services Hot Weather Precautions
Locate Cooling Centers and Seasonal Shelters in Texas
Climate Change and Early Childhood: A Science-Based Resource for Storytellers (Frameworks Institute)
Climate change made heat wave even warmer and 35 times more likely, study finds (Ponca City Now)
Cow poop might make cleaner hydrogen gas a reality (Popular Science)
Is it illegal to hand out water or food outside your polling place? (KXAN)
VERIFY: No, it isn't illegal to give voters food or water in Texas (WFAA)
EXPLAINER: Yes, the Georgia election law featured in Curb Your Enthusiasm is real (Atlanta Civic Circle)
A Deep Dive Into Line-Warming Bans as Federal Court Overturns New York’s Law (Democracy Docket)
Is Line Warming Legal? (American Bar Association)
Polling places for urban voters of color would be cut under Texas Senate's version of voting bill being negotiated with House (Texas Tribune)
Beat the Heat: Top 10 Ways to Stay Hydrated During the Summer (Access Health)
Related Books
The Heat Will Kill You First: Life and Death on a Scorched Planet (2023). Jeff Goodell. New York: Little, Brown and Company.
Heat Wave: A Social Autopsy of Disaster in Chicago (2015). Eric Klinenberg. The University of Chicago Press, 2nd edition.
Saving Ourselves: From Climate Shocks to Climate Action (2024). Dana Fisher. Columbia University Press.
Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
We would like to thank pixabay.com for providing sounds effects.
For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Mindfulness and Place-based Learning with Dr. Rob Dussler (00:46:15)
Do you find yourself in the depths of climate grief or anxiety? Do you feel like there’s no hope? Join hosts Robert and Carrie for this month’s climate news updates and an informative, albeit Zen, conversation with the Meadows Center’s Chief Education Officer, Dr. Rob Dussler, to learn how mindfulness can serve as a tool for understanding climate change while managing the suffering it may cause. If you are an educator and want to learn how to bring climate curriculum into your classroom or get more time with Dr. Dussler, head to our website to learn more about our upcoming workshops on June 3 and June 13: https://education.meadowswater.org/.
In this episode, our co-hosts bring you the latest climate news covering several topics:
Texas is warming at a higher rate than the rest of the world – learn how this may affect living conditions and what is meant by a “warming hole” – hint: it’s not quite as sweet as a donut hole... (05:16)
Health risks related to climate change, warming temperatures, and prolonged heat stress, plus related recommendations for labor policy adjustments (08:33)
Does San Antonio’s “super cool” pavement program really work? Where is the balance between irrigation and shade, and is the black exterior home trend a winner? (10:00)
The latest research analysis on the relationship between neurology and climate effects. (13:40)
An interview with Dr. Rob Dussler, the Chief Education Officer and Director of Spring Lake Education, reveals a deep connection between mindfulness, place-based learning, and climate. Join Robert Mace as he poses audience questions:
What is mindfulness? The “origins of mindfulness,” a brief outline of its journey into Western culture, and how this practice can deepen our relationship to the environment (16:37)
How can we bring mindfulness into our daily practice? What you can do to practice mindfulness and engage more deeply with the environment (23:39)
Mindfulness - is engaged ecology the key to solving climate change? Find out how mindfulness is embedded in the climate solution playbook (32:26)
Learn about the Meadows Center’s TEKS-aligned teacher trainings coming up in early June at Spring Lake.
Then, it’s the good news! Join Robert and Carrie for some of the uplifting climate news:
Restoring the buffalo population to heal Texas’ environment and Indigenous peoples with the Texas Tribal Buffalo Project (39:40)
While the Earth keeps warming, can we hold out hope of curbing the temperatures before the end of the century? (42:00)
Episode Links and Resources:
Here's how hot and extreme Texas weather will be in 2036, according to a top state climate expert (Houston Chronicle)
70% of world's workers at elevated health risks due to climate change, UN report finds (Salon)
San Antonio moves forward with ‘cool pavement’ program (Community Impact)
Climate change likely to aggravate brain conditions (Science Daily)
How bringing buffalo back can combat climate change, heal Indigenous people in Texas (KSAT)
https://climateactiontracker.org/
Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
We would like to thank pixabay.com for providing the sounds of singing bowls, and the wildlife of Spring Lake for their bird songs.
For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
EARTH DAY SPECIAL – Cats for Climate Change, Snake Farms, and Wildfires (00:44:16)
Welcome to Season 2 of Fahrenheit 140! We are kicking off this season with a bang by bringing you with us to celebrate Earth Day 2024! Join us for engaging conversations with a few of our key partners, including BlueTriton Brands and the Texas State University Office of Sustainability alongside our very own Deputy Director of Spring Lake Education, Miranda Wait – all recorded live at the 11th Annual Earth Day San Marcos Festival! Get an inside look at their current and future climate resilience projects and get tips on what daily choices we can all make to bring the spirit of Earth Day to every day.
In this episode, our co-hosts bring you the latest climate news covering several topics:
Warming temperatures mean a prolonged kitten season – giving you a purr-fect excuse to adopt another cat. (02:05)
Insurance companies are pulling out of states due to unpredictable and more severe weather – learn how this could affect you in Texas (05:39)
Learn how Border, a town in Texas, was saved from the recent historic Smokehouse Creek wildfire by fighting fire with fire – how controlled burns may be an important adaptation in the face of severe drought (08:27)
Snake Farms: Could Burmese pythons be the climate-friendly alternative to cattle ranching? (10:43)
Interviews with our esteemed partners, BlueTriton Brands and the Office of Sustainability, along with the Deputy Director of Spring Lake Education, Miranda Wait unpack:
From apprehension to excitement, how views on climate education may be shifting with the rise of mindfulness and outdoor recreation (20:32)
From “drop to drink” the sustainability and stewardship practices of BlueTriton Brands and the “Every Drop Counts” scholarship (26:37)
How to protect the sensitive areas around Texas State University campus (35:10)
Robert Mace ties it all in a bow by reading Flower Song, a beautiful poem by Francisco X. Alarcón, a Chicano poet and educator. (40:33)
Episode Links and Resources:
Kitten season is out of control. Are warmer winters to blame? (Grist)
Climate change is fueling the US insurance problem (BBC)
Texas Map Shows Where State Will Become Underwater From Sea Level Rise (News Week)
As climate change intensifies wildfire risk, prescribed burns prove their worth in the heat-stressed Panhandle (Texas Tribune)
Pythons are eating the Everglades. Could eating them instead help fight climate change? (Miami Herald)
Our History (EarthDay.org)
Carl B. Stokes and the 1969 River Fire (National Park Service)
Flower Song / Flor y Canto / In Xochitl In Cuicatl (poets.org)
Learn more about our partners:
BlueTriton Brands
Texas State University Office of Sustainability
Theme song:
Syzygy by Robert E. Mace
Songs Used:
Snake Farm by Wylie Hubbard
White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane
We would like to thank pixabay.com for providing our sound effects, and Desiree Jackson for gathering candid interviews with Earth Day enthusiasts.
For more information about the Meadows Center, visit meadowscenter.txst.edu.
Individual Action Can Make A BIG Difference In Tackling Climate Change (01:11:39)
Climate change is one of the greatest environmental challenges the world has ever faced. What can you do? A whole lot, as it turns out. Hosts Robert Mace and Carrie Thompson speak with Dr. Thomas Ptak, an Assistant Geography Professor at Texas State University, about the daily choices the average person can take to make a big difference in fighting climate change. In this episode, our hosts cover several topics:
Armadillos are invading Illinois to take advantage of the wetter climate (3:29)
Texas is in an energy revolution and we are adapting in cost-effective ways, there are days when wind power accounts for 50% of the state’s energy source (7:02)
New Zealand is looking to tax cow and sheep burps – nearly half of the country’s emissions are methane from agriculture (and cow and sheep burps) (10:28)
A study that tracked 7 million sleep records found that where the temperatures are higher, people are losing hours of sleep (13:04)
There's been a fivefold increase in burned acres from 2 million in 1985 to 10 million in 2020 (14:46)
Texas ranked as the most natural disaster-prone state in the country, with 368 disasters since 1953 (20:01)
An interview with Dr. Thomas Ptak:
Get involved in local issues – most cities have a climate initiative (26:23)
Food has an impact on carbon emissions – we can make choices based on the carbon intensity of various foods (27:02)
Be conscious about energy practices like passive heating or cooling, closing your blinds, and turning up the thermostat can have a major impact on the energy grid (27:31)
We can all ride a bike, walk, and not use single-use plastics – collectively they have a huge impact, but we have to feel empowered about our contributions (28:54)
Disinformation plays a huge role in people feeling that they're not really connected to the problem of climate change (30:11)
Climate change is complex and the reporting about skepticism is very sophisticated, so people not working in this space can have a hard time making the distinction between human-induced climate change and what is naturally occurring (31:13)
If you want to feel empowered about climate change, look at cities across the U.S. who have made pledges to go 100% carbon neutral as a result of bringing concerns to their local representatives (39:48)
Fighting climate change will take everyone's skills, whatever they are, to develop holistic solutions (43:41)
Along with some feel-good stories to leave you inspired, like:
Austin Water unveiled OSCAR and CLARA, which is expected to reduce the building's potable water use by up to 75%
UK started piloting a 32-hour work week, which is estimated to cut emissions by 20%
Articles Mentioned in this Episode:
Armadillos have arrived in downstate Illinois and are heading north Chicago Tribune
The Temp Is the Least Surprising Part of the Texas Heat Wave Bloomberg
New Zealand proposes to tax farmers for livestock burps Down To Earth
The average person’s daily choices can still make a big difference in fighting climate change – and getting governments and utilities to tackle it, too The Conversation
The Urban & Rural Land Climate Connection (01:09:32)
Farmers, ranchers, and landowners increasingly experience the impacts of climate change as severe storms, floods, drought, and wildfire damage their operations and impact their livelihoods. Hosts Robert Mace and Carrie Thompson speak with Kristy Oates, State Conservationist for the USDA’s Natural Resource Conservation Service (NRCS), about working with private landowners to develop conservation (and climate) solutions that support rural Texans.
In this episode, our hosts cover several topics:
Drought is causing low flows & high bacteria levels in many spring-fed systems across Texas (1:13)
Texas could face its 3rd year of La Niña weather conditions (03:45)
Meadows Center’s new research project will help prepare Texas for climate change (5:47)
Global warming is causing fewer tropical cyclones (11:49)
Texas co. teams up with a Harvard scientist to combat climate change by reviving the woolly mammoth (16:21)
Nestlé cut greenhouse gases by 4 million tons since 2018 (19:39)
An interview with Kristy Oates:
Leads conservation services operations within Texas for NRCS (23:59)
NRCS works in every county across Texas to provide private landowners with services to get conservation on the ground (26:15)
Offers science-based solutions & targeted conservation practices to help landowners mitigate climate change (28:14)
Many conservation practices offered by NRCS play an integral role in carbon storage & climate mitigation (30:27)
Dust Bowl was the catalyst for the creation of NRCS (31:07)
Helps landowners build conservation & drought management plans & also offers financial assistance (34:19)
Rural & urban lands are interconnected; urban areas rely on rural areas to meet their demands for food, water, etc. (41:45)
NRCS is voluntary, not regulatory – all management decisions are ultimately up to the landowner (44:34)/li>
Advice for engaging landowners in the “conservation conversation” (48:00)
Along with some feel-good stories to leave you inspired, like:
A rare coffee bean species, stenophylla, is resilient to a hot and dry climate (54:34)
Scientists are experimenting with transplanting heat tolerant reef-making species into the Great Barrier Reef (57:26)
Cities are enacting building performance standards to save energy, water, and money (01:00:41)
Articles Mentioned in this Episode:
Federally funded study will examine how climate change is impacting Texas water (SA Report)
Global Warming Causes Fewer Tropical Cyclones (Scientific American)
Texas company, Harvard scientist hope to combat climate change by reviving the woolly mammoth (CBS)
Nestlé Has Cut Greenhouse Gases by 4 Million Tons Since 2018. How? (Environmental Leader)
To survive climate change, coffee must embrace new and resilient beans (Washington Post)
Scientists Learning How To Help Coral Reefs (AAAS)
An Aspiring Climate Scientist (01:27:31)
What does an older member of Generation Z think about climate change? How does improving climate literacy and finding a balance between scale and individual engagement help tackle these challenges? Hosts Robert Mace and Carrie Thompson speak with Nicolas Tarasewicz, who has been working at the Meadows Center as a Climate Change Program Associate, about his thoughts and perspective on the climate crisis as he prepares to embark on his Ph.D.
In this episode, our hosts cover several topics:
Three things Robert learned about geothermal power production, Climeworks, and groundwater on a recent vacation to Iceland [4:28],
Talking about the three latest reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the balance between policy and science [15:00],
The threat of a mega-drought compared to extended drought in Texas and its consequences on water planning [27:35],
Soaring records of methane emissions in 2021 [31:00],
An Interview with Nicolas Tarasewicz:
Introduction and brief background [34:14],
How growing up in a small mountain town sparked an interest in nature [36:50],
Being introduced to the field of geography and studying in Sweden [41:43],
Moving to Texas [46:00],
Future PhD work and explaining climate refugia [48:17],
A Gen Z perspective on climate [52:50],
Climate literacy and action empowerment [1:04:21],
Coming to the Meadow’s Center and lessons learned [1:06:50],
Along with some feel-good stories to leave you inspired, like:
Texas’ progress and potential to achieve net-zero by 2050 [1:170:38],
How changes made at home can help us meet climate goals [1:20:31],
Articles Mentioned in this Episode:
Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis (IPCC Sixth Assessment Report I),
Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability(IPCC Sixth Assessment Report II),
Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change (IPCC Sixth Assessment Report III),
Technology to reverse climate change(Climeworks),
Texas Can Get to Net-Zero by 2050 and Simultaneously Bolster the Economy (UT Austin),
Climate change: IPCC scientists say it's 'now or never' to limit warming(BBC News),
Climatologist says future megadrought could harm Lake Travis area(Community Impact Newspaper),
Methane emissions jumped by record amount in 2021, NOAA says(The Washington Post),
How going electric lets homeowners help slow climate change (PBS)
Put it Back (01:13:16)
What is carbon capture and sequestration? How can this process help reduce CO2 emissions from fossil fuel energy production? What does this process have in common with mayonnaise sandwiches and Rice Krispies? Hosts Robert Mace and Carrie Thompson speak with Senior Research Scientist Dr. Sue Hovorka from the University of Texas at Austin and learn about her work answering these questions and their application in Texas.
In this episode, our hosts cover several topics:
Robert shares a new word he learned from a meme! [1:15]
China's climate policies track record in meeting climate goals [2:39]
Facing the reality of how most of the world's cumulative greenhouse gas emissions have occurred in just the last ten years [6:22]
The positive effect teleworking and traveling less had on Europe's emissions in 2020 [7:45]
How Texas cattle ranchers can improve carbon sequestration and water quality [11:46]
Study shows climate change has made Texas allergies worse faster than anywhere else in U.S. [15:12]
San Antonio's new pilot project to reduce the urban heat island effect [17:50]
The potential of adding a new label on foods signifying items with lower carbon footprints and a climatarian diet [22:10]
An Interview with Dr. Sue Hovorka:
Her transition into working on climate change mitigation [27:06]
Defining carbon capture and storage and what CO2 sequestration is [30:06]
The process of capturing “stack gas” to prevent it going into the atmosphere [31:12]
More detail about the transportation and injection of carbon into sedimentary rock layers [35:53]
How captured carbon will be stored for 1,000s of years to help the climate re-stabilize [39:52]
Clearing up misconceptions about how carbon capture and sequestration is different from fracking [42:20]
Texas is one of the world’s biggest fossil fuel producers but also has the perfect geology for carbon capture [48:24]
How capillary forces trap carbon in microscopic pores within subsurface layers [57:05]
Call your energy companies and ask them if they are decarbonizing [1:00:00]
Along with some feel-good stories to leave you inspired, like:
While we will likely fail to meet the 1.5 °C target, we are currently on track to staying below 2.5 °C [1:03:18]
Perfect gifts to give that also fight climate change this holiday season [1:08:33]
Articles Mentioned:
China is doing more than you think for climate change – still not enough -The Conversation
15% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions occurred in the past decade -Washington Post
UN generated 25% fewer greenhouse gas emissions in 2020 -UN News
How cattle ranchers can combat climate change -Express News
Climate change making Texas allergies worse -KXAN
Cooler pavement coming to San Antonio streets -Fox 29
Holiday Gifts To Fight Climate Change -Time
Texas Climate Predictions and Potty Training Cows (01:09:27)
What weather extremes can Texans expect to see into 2036? How can we prepare for the intensifying natural disasters that Texas is experiencing? Hosts Robert Mace and Carrie Thompson talk with Texas State Climatologist Dr. John Nielsen-Gammon to get the answers to these questions and discuss findings from his latest report on future climate trends in Texas.
In this episode, our hosts cover several topics:
Acknowledging the role of methane emissions in climate change and how Texas contributes to them [3:50]
How Iceland is leading the world in active carbon capture technology [8:06]
Why climate change education needs to go beyond the science classroom [11:58]
The importance of potty-training cows to greatly reduce nitrous oxide emissions [16:30]
An interview with Dr. Nielsen-Gammon:
Overview of his latest report “Assessment of Historic and Future Trends of Extreme Weather in Texas” [25:12]
Clarifying the attribution between cold snaps and climate change—warming means they can be more frequent but less cold over time [26:42]
What the data says about Texas getting warmer, with the state already experiencing an increase in 100-degree days [29:02]
An explanation behind the term “one-degree change” [31:17]
As long-term precipitation changes, drought severity is predicted to increase in Texas [35:07]
There will be more flooding in Texas [38:18]
Austin is not prepared for future flood events - preparation is currently based on historical records, not future predictions [41:40]
There will be fewer hurricanes in the future, but the ones we experience may be more severe [45:02]
The compound effects of drought validate the trends shown by climate models, and that East Texas is at a greater risk of more wildfires [47:09]
An explanation of everything involved in the role of State Climatologist [53:50]
Along with some feel-good stories to leave you inspired, like:
Jane Fonda’s call to action in her latest book What Can I Do? with steps to take against climate change [57:35]
China’s recent commitment to cease investing in new coal power projects overseas [1:02:36]
And a poem by Typewriter Rodeo [1:06:03]
Articles Mentioned
Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis(IPCC)
Carbon gets the headlines. But Texas' methane emissions are root cause.(Houston Chronicle)
The world’s biggest carbon-sucking machine is switching on in Iceland (Quartz)
Why it’s a mistake to teach climate change only in science class (Washington Post)
Researchers Potty Trained Young Cows to Reduce Greenhouse Gases (Smithsonian)
Jane Fonda. What can I do?: My Path from climate despair to action. (Random House Large Print)
In climate pledge, Xi says China will not build new coal-fired (Reuters)
Setting the (Water) Table (00:59:05)
Welcome to the first episode of Fahrenheit 140! On this debut show, hosts Robert Mace and Carrie Thompson share their background, the experiences that lead them to careers in water, and why they started the Fahrenheit 140 podcast.
In this episode, our hosts cover several topics including:
How this podcast can help your understanding of climate change [10:10]
The role that partisanship, and even certain types of weather, play in people’s beliefs about climate change [25:25]
From coffee beans to retirement savings – a look at some unlikely economic and financial impacts brought on by climate change [33:02]
Different perspectives on government investment in infrastructure and agricultural incentives [36:22]
Megadrought plaguing the American Southwest is predicted to last several decades [38:30]
Farmers are turning the tide to join the fight against climate change [40:57]
Along with some feel good stories to leave you inspired, like:
Texas A&M University finding a probiotic soil technology that can reduce nitrous oxide emissions by as much as 77% in some crops [44:30]
Individual actions that everyone can take to help fight climate change [48:45]
Articles Mentioned in this Episode:
How will the West solve a water crisis if climate change continues to get worse? (ABC)
Climate change: Science failed to predict flood and heat intensity (Yahoo!)
Climate scientists shocked by scale of floods in Germany (The Guardian)
The Dust Bowl Offers Key Climate Change Lessons for the U.S. (Teen Vogue)
Animal Doctor: Climate change harming farm animals (Tulsa World)
Extreme weather no guarantee of support for climate action (The Bulletin)
The Dust Bowl Offers Key Climate Change Lessons for the U.S. (The Guardian)
Why climate change threatens your retirement savings (CBS)
Mismatch in supply and demand sends coffee prices higher (Marketplace)
Farmers like me want to join fight against climate change. But we need help. (CNN)
The device that reverses CO2 emissions (BBC)
Leading Agricultural Research Universities Show Substantial Reductions in Nitrous Oxide Emissions with Rhizolizer® Duo Soil Probiotic Technology (PR.com)
In Fighting Climate Change, What’s an Individual to Do? (New York Times)
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