Om Delay, Deny, Depose: Luigi Mangione and the Assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson
From Talkocast Studios comes "Delay, Deny, Depose" - an investigation into the December 4th assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. What began as a precisely planned murder outside the New York Hilton Midtown - complete with shell casings inscribed with a haunting message - has exposed the dark intersection of artificial intelligence, corporate healthcare, and human desperation.
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Update/ Jan 7th: The Mumbai Connection: How Jash Dholani’s Philosophy Book Led To A CEO's MRDR (00:10:58)
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After the Mumbai visit, Mangione began losing touch with family and friends. Months later, he would resurface in New York City, where prosecutors say he executed a carefully planned assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.""But what was it about this book that captivated Mangione? Its author, Jash Dholani, is a twenty-seven-year-old writer from Mumbai who calls himself 'The Old Books Guy.' A former advertising professional with aspirations to make films, he's gained attention for his ability to distill complex philosophical ideas into digestible wisdom.
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12/ Tear It All Down: A Doctor's Fight to Keep His Patient Alive (00:08:17)
A doctor's viral post about his comatose patient being denied care ignites a firestorm of revelations about UnitedHealthcare's systematic denial practices. Through exclusive analysis of Senate investigations, internal documents, and patient testimonies, this episode exposes how AI algorithms with 90% error rates are overriding doctor decisions, while denial rates for skilled nursing care have increased nine-fold since 2019. From Tim Anderson's wife communicating only through blinks after being denied ALS equipment, to Dr. Levy's ICU patient being questioned about "medical necessity" while on life support, we examine how America's largest health insurer achieved record profits while hospitals spent billions fighting denials. As one former employee reveals systematic training to deny claims, this episode asks a chilling question: What happens to the 99.8% of patients who can't fight back?
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11/ Erasing Luigi: Inside UnitedHealthcare's Copyright War (00:08:39)
A watercolor painting vanishes. Then merchandise disappears. Then a family photo. Through exclusive interviews with affected artists and legal experts, this episode reveals how someone is using copyright law to systematically erase Luigi Mangione from the internet. As tech expert Cory Doctorow asks, what circumstance would give UnitedHealthcare ownership of a watercolor painting? The answer reveals a disturbing pattern of legal intimidation that experts warn could reshape how America remembers this case.
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Keywords: Luigi Mangione, jury nullification, terrorism charges, UnitedHealthcare CEO murder, legal analysis, criminal justice, historical precedents, public support, hung jury, legal defense
Two weeks ago, Brooklyn artist Rachel Kenaston received an email from TeePublic: 'An intellectual property claim has been filed by UnitedHealth Group Incorporated against this design.’ By the time the email had arrived, her watercolor painting of Luigi Mangione, based on publicly released surveillance footage, had been removed from the platform.
Kenaston appealed the decision and TeePublic told her: “Unfortunately, this was a valid takedown notice sent to us by the proper rights holder, so we are not allowed to dispute it."
Kenaston tells 404 Media in an email, "there's no way they own the rights to the security footage of Luigi smiling (and if they do.... what the fuck.... seems like the public should know that)
but since they made a complaint my design has been removed from the site and even if we went to court and I won I'm unsure whether TeePublic would ever put the design back up.
So basically, if UnitedHealth's goal is to eliminate Luigi merch from print-on-demand sites, this is an effective strategy that's clearly working for them.
The Lumen Database, a repository of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act takedown requests, reveals several other instances of claims targeting Luigi Mangione-related content including the words Delay Deny Depose and Delay Deny Defend.
Legal experts are unanimous - there is no world in which UnitedHealthcare owns the copyright to a watercolor painting of surveillance footage.
Under U.S. law, parody merchandise and artistic interpretations are protected speech. Even more concerning - filing false DMCA claims is itself illegal, requiring a 'good faith belief' that you own the rights to the content in question.
Platforms like TeePublic claim they have 'no say in which designs stay or go.' This is false. As legal experts note, platforms can assess the validity of any DMCA claim. Instead, they choose the path of least resistance.
The strategy is effective precisely because it's expensive to fight back. As artist Rachel Kenaston explains: 'It's not unusual for large companies to troll print-on-demand sites and shut down designs in an effort to scare and intimidate artists.'
But this isn't just about t-shirts and artwork. Legal experts warn this creates a dangerous precedent for using copyright law as a weapon of censorship. Through the DMCA takedown procedure, corporations effectively become prosecuting judges, able to remove content instantly with little oversight or accountability.
Perhaps most troubling was the targeting of news coverage itself. Independent journalist Marisa Kabas received a demand from lawyer Desiree Moore to remove a family photo of the Mangione family from Bluesky - an image that was already publicly available on Maryland assemblymember Nino Mangione's campaign website.
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Since the mid-1990s, insurance companies transformed claims departments from service centers into profit machines through a devastating strategy: delay investigating claims, deny payment, and defend denials in court. Through exclusive whistleblower testimony and internal documents, this episode reveals how UnitedHealthcare's $281 billion empire was built on systematic denial training and aggressive profit strategies.
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9/ Nullification Effect: Could Luigi Mangione Walk Free? (00:09:09)
From John Peter Zenger in 1735 to Luigi Mangione in 2024, this episode explores America's long history of juries choosing conscience over law. Through exclusive analysis from CNN legal expert Elie Honig and former federal prosecutor Joel Cohen, we examine why Mangione's case presents "the highest risk of nullification" in recent memory.
As his terrorism trial approaches, legal experts warn that growing public support could lead to what Cohen calls "a genuine potential risk" of a hung jury. This episode investigates historical precedents of jury nullification, from colonial merchants to Vietnam War protesters, while exploring how prosecutors' decision to pursue terrorism charges might backfire spectacularly.
With compelling evidence on one side and mounting public sympathy on the other, twelve jurors will soon decide whether conscience outweighs law in America's most controversial murder case.
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8/ Overcharged: The Unprecedented Terrorism Case Against Luigi Mangione (00:05:03)
In a Manhattan courtroom, an unshaven and stressed Luigi Mangione faces an unprecedented 20 criminal charges across three jurisdictions. His defense team calls it "the biggest staged perp walk" in New York history. This episode reveals how a murder case transformed into a terrorism prosecution that legal experts warn may backfire spectacularly.
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7/ Spectacle: Luigi Mangione’s Perp Walk (00:05:37)
Seventeen armed officers. A helicopter landing in Manhattan. The Mayor of New York City as an escort. When authorities transported Luigi Mangione on December 19th, 2024, they put on a show that rivaled a Hollywood blockbuster.
But why did a 26-year-old programmer accused of killing one person require more security than terrorist masterminds? Through exclusive footage and firsthand accounts, this episode exposes the theatrical nature of Mangione's transport and its multimillion-dollar price tag to taxpayers. While 9/11 conspirators and Olympic bombers were moved without fanfare, Mangione's "Hannibal Lecter-style perp walk" became a media sensation.
As his defense fund surpasses $159,000 and supporters gather outside courthouses, we examine a crucial question: Was this unprecedented display about public safety, or was it political theater? And most importantly - who was this show really for?
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6/ Phishing: Was Luigi Mangione Framed? Who Really Kill UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson?? (00:07:19)
A viral Reddit post about changing eyebrows. A number that appears with impossible frequency. A biblical verse that seems to predict it all.
As investigators build their case against Luigi Mangione, amateur sleuths online have uncovered a web of coincidences that defy explanation. From the exact number of X posts before going dark (286), to the precise distance to his arrest location (286 miles), to healthcare denial code 286, this episode explores the conspiracy theories dividing the internet.
While authorities point to fingerprints and shell casings, online investigators question everything from surveillance footage discrepancies to the suspicious circumstances of his arrest. Was Mangione meticulously planning an assassination, or was he being set up as the perfect fall guy?
Through verified evidence and documented theories, we examine how a murder case spawned one of the most compelling conspiracy webs of 2024.
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5/ Voices: America Outrage Over CEO Brian Thompson’s UnitedHealthcare Denial Rates (00:05:22)
In the wake of Brian Thompson's murder, thousands of Americans begin sharing their devastating experiences with UnitedHealthcare's automated denial system. From a mother watching her partner die while waiting for clinical trial approval, to families bankrupted by "medically unnecessary" denials, to a Staten Island mother told her daughter could "switch to Medicaid if she dies" - this episode reveals the human cost of algorithmic healthcare decisions.
Through verified testimonies and documented cases, we expose how UnitedHealthcare's profits soared to $16 billion while patients fought, and sometimes lost, battles for basic care. These are the voices that emerged after Thompson's death - stories that transform statistics into human tragedy and raise disturbing questions about the true cost of automated healthcare denials.
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4/ System Error: The True Intentions Luigi Mangione Exposed in UnitedHealthcare’s Code (00:05:26)
In the wake of Brian Thompson's assassination, a startling shift occurs: thousands of Americans begin sharing their stories of algorithmic healthcare denials, transforming public opinion about the accused killer, Luigi Mangione.
This episode explores the growing online movement supporting Mangione, the increasing security measures taken by healthcare executives nationwide, and the troubling evidence suggesting Mangione may not have acted alone.
As the line between whistleblower and domestic terrorist blurs, we investigate how a murder is sparking a national debate about the ethics of AI in healthcare and who's really responsible when algorithms deny care.
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3/ DisCypher: Inside the Mind of Tech Prodigy Luigi Mangione (00:05:19)
Before he was accused of assassinating UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Luigi Mangione was a brilliant programmer who created mobile apps and fixed bugs for major gaming companies.
This episode traces his transformation from Ivy League valedictorian to alleged killer, revealing how a devastating back injury and a healthcare system powered by artificial intelligence may have driven a tech prodigy to violence. Through exclusive access to Mangione's social media posts, investigator interviews, and his detailed technical notebooks, we uncover the story of a brilliant mind's descent into darkness - and what it reveals about the algorithms controlling American healthcare.
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2/ Algorithmic Denials: Inside UnitedHealthcare's Killer AI System (00:06:56)
Inside the automated system that denied one in three insurance claims under CEO Brian Thompson's leadership. Through exclusive documents and expert analysis, this episode reveals how UnitedHealthcare's AI denial algorithm doubled rejection rates from 10.9% to 22.7% after implementation, while company profits soared to $16 billion in 2023.
As investigators build their case against Luigi Mangione, we uncover the devastating stories of patients caught in a system where algorithms make life-and-death decisions. From a mother battling stage 4 breast cancer who maxed out her coverage to a four-year-old denied a life-saving hospital stay, this episode exposes how automated healthcare denials may have created the perfect storm that led to America's most controversial murder case.
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On a book review website earlier this year, a user named 'Luigi (LN mangione)' gave Ted Kaczynski's youna bomber manifesto four stars.
In his review, Mangione wrote about corporations: They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?
From Talkocast Studios, this is Delay Deny Depose.
On the last episode we walked through the six minutes that changed American healthcare forever - the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside the New York Hilton Midtown.
Five days after that shooting, investigators have arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
But what they found in his possession - a three-page manifesto and a spiral notebook filled with detailed plans - suggests this story goes far deeper than a single murder. This episode, we dive into what drove a brilliant Ivy League graduate to murder, and how it connects to an automated healthcare system that affects millions of Americans.
In April 2021, as Brian Thompson took over as CEO of UnitedHealthcare, the company implemented what they called Machine Assisted Prior Authorization.
The promise was to cut review times by 6 to 10 minutes per case.The reality is denial rates for post-acute care would jump from 10.9% in 2020 to 22.7% in 2022.
Mangione's writings, obtained by ABC News, addressed to the "Feds," said, "I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming."
According to Detective Joe Kenny, the suspect had everything planned. Multiple fake IDs, including a fraudulent New Jersey ID matching the one used to check into the New York hostel before the shooting.
But as investigators dig deeper, they find something else - a spiral notebook. Inside: detailed notes and to-do lists that, according to Mangione's letter to police, 'illuminate the gist of it.
Friends say Mangione had disappeared months before the shooting. Nobody has heard from you in months, one wrote in October. I don't know if you are okay or just in a super isolated place, wrote another in July.
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1/ Ghost and the Shells: The UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson Murder (00:06:36)
On a cold December morning, as Manhattan stirred to life, three precisely placed shots shattered the predawn silence outside the New York Hilton Midtown. UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, carrying a presentation about AI-driven healthcare, became the target of a meticulously planned execution that would expose the fault lines in America's healthcare system.
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Six forty-five AM. December fourth, 2024. A figure in a tan jacket waits outside the New York Hilton Midtown. Inside the building, an investor conference is being set up. The topic- The future of automated healthcare.
Three days earlier, UnitedHealthcare announced record profits. Their denial rate for medical claims was thirty two percent – the highest in the industry while CEO Brian Thompson's annual compensation was ten point two million dollars.
The killer had studied Thompson's routine. Knew he'd arrive early. Knew exactly where he'd walk. In Thompson's briefcase that morning: a presentation about the future of automated healthcare decisions.
He would never make it inside...
From Talkocast Studios this is Delay Deny Depose - an ongoing investigation into the December 4th assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. I'm your host, Jonny Llama.
What started as a precisely planned murder outside the New York Hilton Midtown has exposed something far more disturbing than a single killer. It's revealing a healthcare system where artificial intelligence makes life-and-death decisions in minutes, where denial rates hit record highs, and where algorithms determine who lives and who dies.
This story is still developing. New evidence emerges daily. The investigation keeps expanding. And the implications for American healthcare grow more troubling with each revelation. I'll be following this case in real-time, bringing you new developments as they happen. This isn't just about a brazen murder. It's about understanding the system that may have made it inevitable.
Subscribe now and follow along as we uncover what happens when artificial intelligence meets American healthcare, and why someone decided to stop it with three bullets and a message.
The shooting unfolds with the same mechanical precision as the system its target had built. Outside the New York Hilton Midtown, at exactly 6:44 AM, the first shot strikes Thompson from behind. He stumbles forward on the Manhattan sidewalk. Then, a moment of mechanical failure in an otherwise perfect plan - the killer's weapon jams. Without panic, without rushing, the shooter methodically clears the malfunction. Like the resetting of a system error.
The second shot pierces Thompson's chest. The third catches him in the right calf as he tries to turn. Twenty feet away, the shooter stands perfectly still, perfectly focused. Three shell casings left on the concrete. Each one inscribed with a message that would shake the healthcare industry: Delay, Deny, Depose. At 7:12 AM, doctors at Mount Sinai West pronounce Brian Thompson dead.
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